Where to begin with the liars and the haters? There’s no better place than LGF 2.0. LGF 2.0 got its start from a commentor who was banned from Little Green Footballs named muman. The blog was originally, from what I can gather, named LGF Sucks. This changed in August 2008 after two other commentors were banned for their behavior, Rodan and Savage_Nation. The blog started as a rant against Charles Johnson of LGF by muman for preceived slights after Johnson exposed the idiotarianism of Intelligent Design, the Wedge Strategy, and its links to some very unsavory anti-science young-earth creationists. They have a habit of “nic-jacking” commentors from LGF, Johnson, Killgore Trout, and Sharmuta in particular. They also wrongly believe that Johnson is on an anti-Christian crusade. He is not, and has denied their claims several times.
The blog began, ominously, with the first post of “Welcome to lgfsucks blog”. Here is muman about why:
I was a very happy member of the littlegreenfootballs crew for over three years. Most everyone there who I chatted with enjoyed my company. But the website owner, Charles somethingorother, has become a despotic tyrant and started banning anyone who disagreed with him. Charles has started to come out very strongly against faith and those who have faith. He labels anyone who believes in the Master of the Universe as one who supports ID theory.
Utter bullshit. Johnson only banned those who decided to defame him and argue using ad hominem arguments. He never came out against faith, and many lizards of faith are still active LGF participants. IDiots believe that if you are against them teaching ID in schools, you are therefore against faith. It’s a crock of shit.
In August 2008, muman ended lgfsucks blog in favor of his own, and went his own way. Rodan, Avideditor, and Savage_Nation then took over his blog and renamed it LGF 2.0. It started with Rodan announcing his new blog with a post entitled, “Hello Charles it’s Rodan”:
I know you will read this since you are a bitch. LGF is nothing more than a front for Atheists who hate Jews and Christians. You hate Muslims today, but you will turn your attacks on us. You are a fraud Charles, you just repeat Bush talking points and ban anyone who disagrees. You are destroying the anti-Jihad movement. I believe you are a plant and a fake. By banning me, you have a made an enemy. I have brought Think Progress to it’s knees, I take the Left on. You are a coward who hides behind your blog. You allow losers like Kilgore Trout to run your own site. You aren’t man Charles You are a little girl.
To LGFers,
We will post the same stories from LGF, come here and enjoy without Taxfreekiller and Kilgore running to Charles when they lose debates.
Rodan was intent on plagiarizing Johnson’s posts on LGF, and defaming Killgore Trout and Tax Free Killer at the same time. He was full of crap with his rant against Johnson. Johnson has never attacked Christians or Jews, just the idiotiarianism of ID and IDiots who promote it. Here’s what got Rodan banned from LGF, by the way:
Sharmuta 7/12/08 11:16:46 pm PDT
re: #126 Noam Sayin’Yes- Konservo has an account here, and if you read that, avid isn’t pleased that Konservo isn’t siding with the Serbs- one of the very reasons he and Rodan were playing sock puppet games at LGF which led to avid’s banning.
Johnson frowns on sock puppet games being played where one commentor uses several sock puppets to support his/her position and argue amongst themselves. Rodan, you are full of shit on your reason for being banned. Johnson banned you for your sock puppetry, not for being a Christian. Rodan also was a major supporter of Serbian nationalism and he and Avideditor used their sock puppets to argue their point. Rodan subsequently attempted to sneak back in under new nics.
There is also evidence that Rodan and Avideditor are the same person:
Charles 2/21/2008 9:51:31 pm PST
And sure enough — I just checked some IPs, and ‘avideditorla’ was also none other than ‘Rodan’.
Avdieditor/Rodan also used more accounts:
Charles 2/21/08 9:51:31 pm PST
And sure enough — I just checked some IPs, and ‘avideditorla’ was also none other than ‘Rodan’.Charles 2/21/08 9:52:29 pm PST
This one has also been blocked under the names ‘Akita’ and ‘The Joker’.
Face it, morons, you got banned for using socks to support your Serbian nationalism.
Savage_Nation was banned (again) on August 14, 2008. He was banned for threatening to use the business end of a shotgun on his stepdaughter’s boyfriend. As Johnson says in the disclaimer at the top of every page,
Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
He promptly joined LGF 2.0 the same day. Savage’s posts were deleted after he decided to sneak back in as cutestguy. Yeah, real cute, dumbass.
Other banned commentors joined them in their own little clique. A few include Song_and_Dance_Man (committed profile suicide by daring Johnson to ban him), Kirly (now known as The Sneak), Storagemanager, Jehu, and Chen Zhen.
Chen Zhen has become one of the writers on LGF 2.0. He also has his own blog. He was banned from LGF on October 2, 2007 for acting like a complete twit by backstabbing the blog author (there’s more like this, but we’ll get to Ed later):
ChenZhen 10/02/07 7:41:36 pm
re: #226 Sharmutare: #219 Killgore Trout
Yeah- I got that. Last night he was “brainstorming” about LGF merchandise, and he’s still mocking Charles after he posted at stalker blog #1. Really lovely troll we got here.
I just thought it was a neat co-inky-dink that the thread appeared the same day that the Rush thing blew up. So I rolled with it.
That was Chen’s last LGF comment under the nic Chen Zhen. Charles explained his reasoning later about Chen backstabbing him. Other commentors have done so from time to time, and it is not nice, and not appreciated by the blog owner:
Charles 10/02/07 7:49:26 pm
re: #244 ChenZhenre: #226 Sharmuta
re: #219 Killgore Trout
Yeah- I got that. Last night he was “brainstorming” about LGF merchandise, and he’s still mocking Charles after he posted at stalker blog #1. Really lovely troll we got here.
I just thought it was a neat co-inky-dink that the thread appeared the same day that the Rush thing blew up. So I rolled with it.
And you’re close to rolling your last comment here.
Decency is apparently foreign to you.
Decency was rather foreign to Chen, and apparently it still is as he has now chosen to post articles on LGF 2.0 with the other indecent twits. He is also joined by Lance Kates as the fourth and last current article author at LGF 2.0.
Lance is an interesting case. A head case really. He can’t seem to get his head around the fact that ID does not belong in schools and that rejecting ID does not make one an atheist. Lance blew up at Johnson in a thread in which Johnson and other lizards criticized Ben Stein for narrating a pro-ID film, Expelled. Expelled was little more than Stein’s attempt at making a Michael Moore-style documentary. It was also full of the same types of lies and bullshit as a Michael Moore documentary. Johnson pointed this out, and Lance blew a gasket. Then Cox and Forkum made a wonderful cartoon regarding ID, and Lance just lost it:
LanceKates 5/08/08 4:49:38 pm
re: #185 Killgore TroutThe cartoon was explained upthread, you shouldn’t find that surprising.
I don’t find the cartoon suprising, or its presence here, I’m afraid.
And your arrogant belittling attitude SURE isn’t suprising.
Lance was not banned for being a Christian, as he so often loves to point out on LGF 2.0. He was banned for being a prick, a whiner, and abusive toward the blog owner and other commentors. Lance also never had much of a head for understanding sarcasm either. As Johnson put it well in this comment in the same thread:
Charles 5/08/08 4:47:54 pm
re: #165 FunkMachineLGF doesn’t specifically cater to people of faith, and it doesn’t specifically NOT cater to people of faith either. The point is that people who act like loose cannons spewing insults at everyone aren’t going to be welcome for long.
Amen to that. Commentors like Savage and Lance who get abusive have no place on any decent blog.
I will be returning to the subject of LGF 2.0 later.
Update: A correction, it was discovered that Rodan and Avid are not the same person. I apologize for the mistake. The rest of the evidence stands as it is.
Defending the Defensible 
May 9, 2009 at 11:26 am
Thank you defenseman for this debunking of the haters. Kudos and a big high-five.
From a proud Lizard
May 10, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Charles Johnson is his own man. He has always been Honest, Fair, and quite Gracious on LGF. He also personally possesses and defends healthy limit setting on his blog when anyone, be you a short time user or lifetime user of HIS site, and are out of bounds. Whether this is proponing abusive behavior or expressing condensation toward the blog owner, requires active participation and clear mal intent and irresponsibility by the blogger.
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And I am the Queen of Roumania!
bah.
May 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm
OMG ! Charles….is that you?
It is! It’s the debut of your Sock Blog !
hahahahaha
May 9, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Please get your history right. Savage_Nation was not their at the founding and Avid Editor is not Rodan. But you are write on the fact that Savage is a loon.
May 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm
right. Not write. Did you change that or was it my typo. Muman also is not connected in any way to LGF2. I would not be on any blog with savage_nation.
May 9, 2009 at 7:19 pm
You did make a post or two there, Avid, in August 2008, but I appreciate that you backed away from them. Savage is, indeed, a complete nutjob.
From what I can see, Muman got the blog started, but was gone by the time Rodan took it over. For some reason, all of Muman’s posts appear on LGF 2.0.
May 9, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I am not a (registered) poster on LGF and my politics don’t always co-incide with Charles Johnson”s but his principled stand against neo-nazis, 9/11 troofers, militant creationists, anti-science yahoos and all-round hatemongers is to be applauded. Our enemy’s enemies are not necessarily our friends.
May 9, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Nonsense. I can’t even identify the reason I was banned except that I disagreed with Charles on some issue. Seriously. I was polite, I explained my opposition and I was banned without warning after four years of no problem membership. LGF has gone to hell.
May 10, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Ain’t that the truth. I was just banned from LGF for the following comment:
How is the John Birch society racist? I’ve spent some time researching that claim and there was really only one time in 2008 that AP had an article about it.
So from just one incident, you’ll tar the entire history and membership of the organization?!?
Now, I could be wrong… and I’m definitely not an expert on this group, either.
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To which Charles responded:
re: #235 gogogodzilla
How is the John Birch society racist? I’ve spent some time researching that claim and there was really only one time in 2008 that AP had an article about it.
So from just one incident, you’ll tar the entire history and membership of the organization?!?
Now, I could be wrong… and I’m definitely not an expert on this group, either.
Let me get this straight. You don’t know much about the John Birch Society, but you’re going to defend them anyway?
I think you are at the wrong website. Bye now. I’m sure you’ll find somewhere else that’s more in line with your views.
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So, when I read that Charles only bans “those who decided to defame him and argue using ad hominem arguments”, I say *bull*.
May 20, 2009 at 7:30 am
Careful, his sycophants will attack you on other blogs. Just as Killgore goes around making threatening comments.
May 9, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Thanks. I never knew how this whole thing came into being.
The whole issue screams irony. How can someone claim to be defending conservatism, and then bitching about someone else who decides how to run their own blog?
This runs totally opposite to the idea of private property.
Everyone is a guest on LGF. Plain & simple. You are there at the luxury of the man who pays the bills, and has ultimate responsibility for it.
Play by the rules or get the hell off.
May 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Interesting theory, however, I was banned at LGF for simply dinging down a couple of threads that Charles had put up with regards to his hate for Glenn Beck and Fox news. I hadn’t posted in several months because there was nothing of interest there anymore for me. I know many people who’ve been banned for merely disagreeing with him.
So Charles simply bans people who don’t agree with him? That’s paranoia or someone with an ego that’s gotten out of control. His blog has become irrelevant. Just take a look at how far his blog has sunk
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/littlegreenfootballs.com
Not looking too good for Charles. Opposing opinions of Charles Johnson need not apply. Now lets see how long my comment stays on this blog.
May 9, 2009 at 3:16 pm
So only positive comments will stay up, right.
My comment waits moderation.
May 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Nope, negative comments will stay as long as they are not abusive or obscene. It’s the same policy as at LGF. You are free to disagree here as there, as long as you behave.
May 9, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hogwash. He bans people who disagree. He did it to me.
May 9, 2009 at 8:52 pm
defenseman,
You are just not right about the issue of abusive and obscene comments.
Charles leaves up comments by Walter L Newton saying “Fuck you” to other commenters. And Walter L Newton hasn’t been banned although he does that a lot.
And Old Guy Fuzzy Jeans was calling me .. I forget exactly but something like an unflushed shit .. and the regulars like Sharmuta were up dinging that comment.
Charles lets these favorite commenters abuse the others with no reprimands. And the people who object are called whiners. It is like an abusive family dynamic.
May 9, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I don’t understand Charles’ banning policy. He’s gone overboard re Obama – even mention the various lawsuits re his citizenship, last time I looked there were 34, and you’re gone [of course Wiki does the same]. Since discretion is the better part of valor I haven’t posted anything re his (apparently) illegal use of campaign funds to supress those cases.
On the other hand, I do agree with his recent run at Creationists – the US wonders why it’s falling behind in science etc and then we see that some impossible percentage of people actually believe this.
May 9, 2009 at 3:44 pm
No. No. No. You are quite incorrect, defenseman. You are NOT “free to disagree” as you suggest at LGF.
I was blocked for up-dinging a comment by VegasRick. That’s all. I hit the little green “+”, and was blocked/banned. How does that violate policy? I simply felt there was some truth in VegasRick’s comment, Charles and the popular kid’s club did not. LGF thoughtcrime! – How DARE I disagree with Charles, MandyManners, or Kilgore! I must be a right-wing fascist!
Of course, being that you have misspelled “indefensible” in the title of your blog, I wouldn’t be surprised if you cheered and clapped when all of the “+” dingers on that comment were blocked by Charles for being “Paulian sleepers” – of which I am most certainly NOT! Heck, I used to recommend LGF to people.
Not anymore.
May 9, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Judging from your comment, I doubt the upding you gave VegasRick had anything to do with it. He still has his account at LGF, and he posts there often. My guess is that you were banned for being a bit of a jerk. You give it away in your comment.
May 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I wonder if Mandy, Sharmuta, Kilgore, Ironfist, or any of the others including Charles himself would last if being “a bit of a jerk” were a violation of policy.
Lately, it’s all about being in the club, and agreeing with Charles, and never, ever giving him a down-ding or questioning his logic. So much for debating the issues, or honest disagreement.
“My guess is that you were banned for being a bit of a jerk.” (Know that for a fact? or are you looking to demonize me for convenience sake?) If you are going to accuse me correctly perhaps you should accuse me of using sarcasm and hyperbole to help bring the point home in my history of comments over there.
If I am to follow your line of reasoning about being banned, all those bannees must be jerks, fascists, right wing kooks, left wing kooks, creationists, Pastafarians, Rastafarians, vocal Christians, Mormons, Druids, Ron Paul supporters, Glenn Beck listeners, Pam Geller/Atlas Shrugs readers, Ron Popeil fanatics, secret illuminati sock puppets, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists… or other undesirables, right? It ain’t so.
…and it shouldn’t matter if they are.
May 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm
You still fail to give a date when you were banned. Or do you just not like being fact checked on?
May 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I’ve disagreed with Charles on a few occasions – respectfully – and IIRC I may have even down-dinged him once. Yet I’m still there. Now why is that?
May 10, 2009 at 9:37 am
I had to work a shift, sorry I couldn’t get to your questions sooner ladycatnip (…and I’m exhausted, I hope I can make this coherent).
I can’t answer your question properly because I don’t know the mind of Charles, though you can’t deny he’s been on a “right-wing” (or things perceived as being right wing from a leftward bias) witch-hunt lately… maybe I’ve been caught up in his anti-right fervor.
I had a link in my LGF profile to my You Tube page where I pretty much lay it out that I’m a hard-core, right-wing, sci-fi readin’ gun geek. Perhaps Charles checked this and decided I just wasn’t “LGF material”. For the record, I do NOT support Ron Paul, neo-nazism, creationism, or anything else he has been insinuating a right-leaning person supports “by default” …and it would be hard to say he doesn’t think the right is a bunch of bigoted fascists from the things I had been reading on LGF.
The reason I had a low comment count initially had more to do with time spent on LGF, but in the last year it had everything to do with being hesitant about speaking my mind for fear of losing my LGF privileges.
Not to mention there are quite a few regulars at LGF who go into a kill frenzy like a pack of rabid howling chihuahuas when yet another person is blocked/banned. Its humiliating to be cut off without being able to defend oneself. I sought to avoid this… to no avail.
Sorry for the rambling… I need sleep.
May 9, 2009 at 4:01 pm
I think I got banned for down dinging Salamantis too much. He complained about it and the next thing I knew, I was banned. I only did it because Salamantis has a tendency to just down ding every comment he disagrees with.
As far as I can tell, there is no one else who down dings so freely as he does. I think Salamantis spoils the blog. I am actually appreciative of Salamantis’ opinions. He expresses himself well. It is the aggressive down dinging that is ugly.
So, is Salamantis Charles Johnson’s sock puppet? Salamantis does act like he “owns the place”.
May 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I disagree. Salamantis is interested in promoting science. A good thing, IMHO. People who down ding and never comment are usually viewed as sock puppets of another commentor or a banned commentor. To down ding just because another commentor down dings someone is a bit childish, don’t you think?
May 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Personally, I think it’s a little childish to provide a system for approving or dissaproving of comments, and then banning people for using it.
May 9, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Hi defenseman,
So, do you know if Salamantis is Charles Johnson by another name? You seem to be avoiding my question and creating a diversion with your “childish” remark. Come to think of it, that is a common discussion tactic of some of the regulars who comment on the threads at LGF.
I love the range of topics Charles Johnson chooses. And he has been right about many things. I love the blog. But I think it is a mistake to assume there is no problem in the comment threads.
While the regulars who I perceive as the problem claim to be “libertarians” and “classic liberals”, their actual behavior on the blog is about silencing the others whom they disagree. I experience a big contradiction between ideology and practice.
May 9, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Like the commentator above, I was banned after voicing my displeasure with a post. I believe I said “This site starts to stink more and more every day”
BANNED.
Because there is not tolerance of ANY differing viewpoints in Charles Johnson’s world. I’m in the arts and in being so, I visit websites that wear their insane liberal views on their sleeves. I often come across deranged, lunatic political posts and in many instances, I explain how much i differ with them. With terse and often colorful language. I have never been banned from any of those sites. I have been ganged up on, misinterpreted, scapegoated, and ostracized, but my opinions were never deemed such an egregious offense that I was shown the door.
Charles Johnson bounced me out of his site after four years of comments because I had a differing view ONCE. He’s turned into a petty dictator and nothing more.
And for a guy who hangs his hat on the beliefs of evolution, he certainly has his head straight up his ass when it comes to the issue of gay marriage. The issue of gay marriage that is intrinsically entwined with gay parents raising children. A situation where I do like the gay community and I want whats best for them, but I happen to like kids more. If the argument is that gay parents are equal to traditional parents, then its a fallacious argument. One that can be dismissed by reading the first four chapters of ‘The Dragons Of Eden’ by Carl Sagan.
I guess Charles never got around to looking into the issue.
May 9, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Right, and money grows on trees. Care to offer a date when you were banned? My guess is that it was more than your comment.
May 9, 2009 at 9:46 pm
ask Charles.
I was banned about three weeks ago. For saying exactly what I said.
Email him and ask him. I’m eager to get an answer
(you see I’ve been banned, so I can’t get an answer on the issue myself)
😦
May 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm
…and because I genuinely find offense to someone smugly alleging I am a liar from behind the safety of their keyboard, I went back and got the date: April 29th. The Olympia Snowe thread.
In the words of Jack Nicholsen in “The Shining”; Go check it out.
May 9, 2009 at 4:08 pm
A stalker blog of a stalker blog? Sheesh, how long before we see something like Defending the Defensible Watch?
Anyway what did Charles think, that there would be no blowback from banning thousands of commenters from his site? Or changing it from a moderately conservative/neocon blog to a viciously anti-conservative one? LGF2 is merely filling the void that Charles left open, and as far as I’m concerned is already a far superior blog than LGF ever was.
Hopefully the remaining lizards can leave their comfort zone and come here to defend their preposterous attacks on the Vlaams Belang, Christian IDers and other non-liberals that Charles hates sooooooo much. But I’m not holding my breath: CJ and his lizards are basically cowards who resort to banning when losing an argument (it happens a lot).
BTW your hero is now busy outing all the admins of LGF2. I’m sure lickspittle-in-chief “Sharmuta” (real name [redacted]…) is busy cheering him on with one of her patented “You rock, Charles!” And while we’re on the subject of outing people, my real name is James Pillman. What’s yours, defenseman? Does it start with a C and end with a harles Johnson by any chance?
May 9, 2009 at 4:16 pm
OK, so starting a blog by plagiarizing another blog makes a good blog? Having articles in support of European fascism makes it a good blog? Having every fourth post be about LGF and much they hate LGF makes it a good blog? That’s pathetic. Jeppo, if I were you, I’d look at how I used the Vlaams Belang avatar for a bit. It may explain why you were banned. By the way, LGF 2.0 is by mo means my only target, just my first. The Vlaams Belang, direct descendant of the Vlaams Blok, is a fascist party. Just because you choose to ignore the evidence does not make the evidence go away.
May 9, 2009 at 4:26 pm
What you call “fascism”, we call “conservatism”. Like the VB’s support for freedom of speech, democratic capitalism, the rule of law, traditional Judeo-Christian morality, opposition to the Islamic immigration invasion of Belgium, and, rarer than hens teeth in Europe, staunch support for the United States and Israel. You guys do remember what conservatism is, right?
May 9, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Maybe typical European nationalism, but hardly American style conservatism. I don’t see the VB standing up for a Constitution, Jeppo. I see them wanting to deport people who are not like them. I don’t see a respect for the rule of law there what-so-ever. And it is a strange, twisted “Judeo-Christian” morality that they have. They wish to declare the immigrants an “invasion” rather than making any attempt at assimilation. Their support for Israel is not support for the Jews as they are neck deep in Holocaust denial. I do know what American style conservatism is, and this ain’t it.
May 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Well, first and foremost the VB are separatists: They seek the independence of Flanders from Belgium. But they seek to do so legally, through the rule of law, not through violence. Violence is something that their far-left Antifa opponents, the ones that CJ has befriended, seek to do to them.
And “wanting to deport people who are not like them”? Really, defenseman, you’re going to have to do a lot better than making stuff up off the top of your head if you want to convince people of VB’s perfidy.
It’s me who calls it an Islamic immigration invasion, not the VB. And Filip Dewinter has stated again and again that he wants immigrants to fully assimilate into Flemish society. But as everyone, probably even CJ and his lizards, realize, the bulk of the Muslim population is NOT assimilating. So the obvious solution is to quit importing these Muslims who are fundamentally hostile to the host population.
Do you consider the VB’s opposition to homosexual “marriage” and adoption to be a strange and twisted version of Judeo-Christian morality? Because that seems to be Bruce Bawer’s fundamental problem with them. BTW Bawer and virtually the rest of the commentariat, left and right, don’t refer to the VB as “fascists”. Only Antifa radicals and their more gullible followers (i.e. LGF) make this outrageous and completely unproven claim.
The VB’s support for the US and Israel is deep and genuine and, unfortunately, extremely rare anywhere in the world these days. Why can’t you give them any credit for what is a principled, but surely a vote-losing, stand? Would you rather they were like almost every other political party in Europe, anti-American and anti-Semitic/Zionist? And the claim that “they are neck deep in Holocaust denial” is pure baloney: Dewinter has made numerous statements about the Holocaust, and part of his opposition to Islamization is to make sure the Jews are never targeted again in his country. And surely you’re aware of the strong support for the VB from Antwerp’s Orthodox Jewish community.
Finally, defenseman, you and Charles and his lizards are adamantly opposed to the VB, so unfortunately there’s probably nothing I can say or do that will change that. So I ask you what political party should the 800,000 – 1,000,000 Flemings who usually support the VB vote for instead? I’ve asked this question of the VB-haters over and over and have yet to receive an answer. If you can’t offer any alternative, then you shouldn’t even be debating this subject, as your knowledge of Belgian politics is obviously paper-thin.
May 9, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Spare me your lecture on “Judeo-Christian” morality, athiest.
And yes, American conservatives do want to deport illegal immigrants. Lefties like you doubtless disagree, of course.
May 9, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Key word there, brainiac, is “illegal”. The VB and other fascist parties of Europe want to deport legal immigrants as well. BTW, how did you determine I’m an atheist? Or is that merely your ad hominem argument since you are out of ammo?
May 9, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Charles has pics up of the alleged LGF2 guys.
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Defenseman, where can I find some good source material on the
alleged euro-nazis? Basically proof that they are in fact nazis?
Do these folks call themselves nazis?
Has anyone collected this stuff into one site?
It is hard to separate the signal from the noise on this issue.
I am not a poster at LGF, never was.
I stop in every few days to keep up.
Thanks.
May 9, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Pending, Charles actually has some pretty good links regarding the VB and their history. Even the Wiki articles I mentioned have links regarding the VB and their relationship to the neo-Nazis. Spencer and Geller attempt to deny it, but these folks are full-blown fascists. No idea if there is a one-stop-shop for the information, but Google and other search sites work rather well.
May 10, 2009 at 6:23 am
pending and defenseman,
Here’s a comprehensive compedium of the VB controversy in the blogoshere, one that specifically rebuts the lies about them spread by radical Antifa operatives (Blokwatch, Yelloman, EXPO, Oyvind Strommen, etc., and their North American mouthpiece, LGF).
Here’s a video and transcript of a speech given by Filip Dewinter at this weekends Pro-Cologne rally. Parse it for Nazi/fascist content all you want, you’ll never read about it at LGF.
I’m still waiting for the VB-haters to offer any political alternative to them, the largest party in Flanders attracting 800,000 – 1,000,000 votes per election, the equivalent of 40 – 50 million votes in the United States. Anyone?
[crickets chirping]
May 11, 2009 at 5:35 pm
LGF2 in it’s own words:
“It’s time for TOTAL war against Islam. I don’t give a fuck if its Radical Islam, moderate Islam, whatever. These beasts need to be exterminated, rooted out and cut to pieces.” – savage
“One thing I hope for is when the shit hits the fan, every one of these CJ style punks are rounded up and tossed out of my country.
And shoot them if they resist, citizenship or not” – savage
“Will someone please kill Obama?” -AvideditorLA
May 12, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Avideditor was banned from LGF2 for posting that comment. And I have no doubt that the rest of those comments are taken out of context as well.
May 12, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Ayes – fur bein jist a wee bit too brave – ie criminally schoopit – in voicin whit appears tae be a popular sentiment on LGF2. At least CJ bans folk he DISagrees with.
May 12, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Ah should say – at least CJ DISagrees wi the fascist shite that he bans folk fur postin. Unlike the instance provided fur LGF2.
May 12, 2009 at 1:17 pm
That is such utter bullshit. Show me one piece of evidence that the “popular sentiment” at LGF2 is that Pres. Obama should be assassinated.
May 12, 2009 at 1:38 pm
“That is such utter bullshit. Show me one piece of evidence that the “popular sentiment” at LGF2 is that Pres. Obama should be assassinated.”
http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/10/vlaams-belang-is-the-vlaams-belang-anti-israel/
“Didn’t Obama appoint a self hating Jew. I will gladly attend Obama’s funeral if someone makes it happen before he takes power. The does not mean I ever supported Obama. I think he will be worse the Hitler and Stalin. Obama will kill all the Jews: He will be worse then Hitler or Stalin”
AvideditorLA, in an undeleted, unchastised post/comment on LGF2. Don’t see anyone objecting to his sentiment there, do you?
May 12, 2009 at 1:50 pm
You are so dense. Any evidence from someone who wasn’t banned from LGF2?
May 12, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Naw the density is aw yours, bawbag. See the hing that’s tellin aboot that thread – as ah actually pointed oot – is the reaction of the other LGF2 posters. There’s nae disapproval ur condemnation at aw – it’s clear thit such sentiments and such expressions o hate weren’t coinsidered in any way beyond the pale by the folk that wur postin thair.
An the fact thit the post wis approved and left tae stand tae this day.
May 12, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Are you seriously asking me to prove a negative? Yes, gclaghorn, PROVE that every single LGF2 reader DIDN’T approve of avideditor’s statements!!!!11!1!!!eleventy!!1! What a weak-ass defense.
And by the way, I did prove this. AvidEditor was BANNED from LGF2.
May 12, 2009 at 2:17 pm
“And by the way, I did prove this. AvidEditor was BANNED from LGF2.”
Savage nation wisnae though. His comments are even mair repellant than avid editors. Brutally murdering an entire religion o people, and deportin anybody of a certain political persuasion an murderin those thit refuse tae go.
But he’s still there, an like ah said, wan o the main ‘drivin forces’ if ye want tae call it that, behun LGF2.
May 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm
“Savage nation wisnae though…But he’s still there, an like ah said, wan o the main ‘drivin forces’ if ye want tae call it that, behun LGF2.”
Maybe that’s because he owns the site and pays for the servers. Will Charles be banning himself from LGF sometime soon?
But you keep on pretending whatever your little heart desires. My words are going in one ear and out the other. I’ve got better things to do than argue with dense idiots. Have a nice day.
May 12, 2009 at 2:27 pm
“Maybe that’s because he owns the site and pays for the servers. Will Charles be banning himself from LGF sometime soon?”
Ye know whit – ye might be oan tae sumhin thair! The reason why savage disnae get banned an his comment urny removed despite them bein such rank bigoted murderous filth is cos he OWNS THE SITE AND PAYS FOR THE SERVERS
May 12, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Well that wis a truly ootstandin “defence” o LGF2 thair glachorn./ Ye must come back an dae this again sumtime!
May 12, 2009 at 1:57 pm
One other point, in response to this:
If we can’t hold Kid Icarus responsible for “undeleted, unchastised” posts and comments on his site, then you can’t project one person’s deranged rantings on a blog onto everyone who visits said blog.
But then, I guess LGF supporters like yourself are okay double standards like that.
May 12, 2009 at 12:18 pm
A Nonny Moose:
I just checked, and I was right. You failed to point out that savage was called out by all of the other LGF2 commenters for that “round up the lizards and throw ’em out” comment.
And that first comment by savage was in response to the horrific and vicious terrorist attacks on innocent citizens in Mumbai, India. The perspective you put on that is very interesting.
May 12, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“I just checked, and I was right. You failed to point out that savage was called out by all of the other LGF2 commenters for that “round up the lizards and throw ‘em out” comment.”
Whit a barefaced lie. Link tae cached version o the thread in question:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WOZOluoJifEJ:www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/04/20/the-most-blatant-asskissing-i-have-ever-seen/+%22One+thing+I+hope+for+is+when+the+shit+hits+the+fan,+every+one+of+these+CJ+style+punks+are+rounded+up+and+tossed+out+of+my+country%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
He gets the maist timid slap oan the wrist ye ever saw fae wee ‘wrath o sky fairy’, who moments later is laughin and jokin wi him. Nabody else really says much aqboot it except wan ur two thit admit he went a bit uver the top but agree wi his sentiment/feelins.
Thur’s nothin remotely approachin the callin oot by everybody else thair thit you claimed.
An the fact remains thit savage didn’t recant his comment, it wisnae deleted, he wisnae banned. He’s still thair as apperently the main drivin force behun that blog.
May 12, 2009 at 1:20 pm
You are either willfully ignorant or legitimately stupid. Go get some reading comprehension skills, and then try responding to that again.
May 12, 2009 at 6:57 pm
A few things Moose,
The beginning moments of Monty Python’s The Holy Grail makes mock of møøse bitten Swedes, not Scotsmen.
There are no mooses… uh, meeses… in Finnegans Wake.
You are in danger of opening a time rift with that URL.
Safety not guaranteed.
May 12, 2009 at 1:13 pm
“And that first comment by savage was in response to the horrific and vicious terrorist attacks on innocent citizens in Mumbai, India. The perspective you put on that is very interesting.”
Ah witnessed that atrocity tae. So did a lot o folk. They didnae, and ah didnae, use it as a launchpad for disgustin, fascistic and genocidal outbursts like that. Evil, in plain view, an aw you want tae dae is make excuses fur it. If a wis you ah’d be reflectin oan where yer unhappiness wi LGF and yer support fur those cretins at LGF2 has taken ye.
May 12, 2009 at 1:25 pm
On the other hand, you are more willing to defend the “disgustin[g], fascistic, and genocidal” actions of the Mumbai terrorists.
You should be reflecting on where your unhappiness with LGF2 and your support for those panderers to radical Islam at LGF has taken you.
May 12, 2009 at 1:50 pm
“On the other hand, you are more willing to defend the “disgustin[g], fascistic, and genocidal” actions of the Mumbai terrorists.
You should be reflecting on where your unhappiness with LGF2 and your support for those panderers to radical Islam at LGF has taken you.”
Whit the fuck? Where dae ah say that I’d be willin tae defend the actions o a bunch a filthy terrorists? In whit sense is that implied by ma use o the word ‘atrocity’ tae describe whit they did? Dae ye really think thit bein opposed tae genocidal mania against all muslims – including moderates- entails support fur terrorists? Jist how fuckin idiotic are ye?
Aye that’s right ah remember now- yer idiotic enuff tae post oan LGF2.
May 9, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I rarely see Charles post something at LGF that isn’t copied and pasted in entirety from the wires (AP, AFP, Reuters, etc.)
May 9, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Yes, but it is properly attributed, and it is put up there for discussion. LGF 2.0, in its mission statement said it would simply take the posts from LGF and repost them for their own comments. That, by any measure, is plagiarism. It was not discussion of a post, but rather, to use the post as their own while calling the blog owner names.
May 9, 2009 at 6:07 pm
IIRC, LGF2 said it would report the stories that they thought LGF should be reporting. Unless you have a link to back up your statement.
May 9, 2009 at 6:09 pm
It’s in their mission statement as posted above in the article. Go read it, go read the early threads at LGF 2.0. They are there.
May 9, 2009 at 6:14 pm
And reading through the LGF 2 archives, I don’t think any of those posts were copied verbatim.
May 9, 2009 at 6:08 pm
And <a href=”http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/06/20/our-mission/here is the LGF2 mission statement, in its entirety:
I see nothing about copying and pasting LGF posts in full as their own.
May 9, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Here it is, gclaghorn,
“To LGFers,
We will post the same stories from LGF, come here and enjoy without Taxfreekiller and Kilgore running to Charles when they lose debates.”
Posted on the first day by none other than Rodan himself. There it is in ones and zeros for all the world to see.
May 9, 2009 at 6:12 pm
But that does not explicitly say that they would run the stories verbatim.
May 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm
And if they did copy and paste the posts, it’s not like the content was not attributed to LGF. The mission statement you posted above is evidence of that.
May 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm
The goal was for reposting, verbatim, for comments. It’s a bit obsessive though to have every fourth post on LGF 2.0 to be about LGF. Even Gulf Coast Pundit feels no need to talk about LGF this way.
May 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Although you still haven’t linked to a post in which they do copy, verbatim, a post at LGF.
May 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Just curious: are you or are you not Charles Johnson?
May 9, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I was banned for calling a thread “absurd”.
Oh the horror!!
The basis for this blog is a lie, Charles Johnson is a puke.
May 9, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Nice to know you think this way. Banned for calling a thread “absurd”? That is absurd. More likely you were banned for accumulating offenses, much as Lance was.
May 9, 2009 at 5:46 pm
You really should stop making fun of people for their reasons for getting the boot if you really want any credibility. Why not try and keep an open mind when listening to some of these complaints?
I dinged down Charles on a few topics I disagreed with and few commenters who were wild and out of control (or at least I thought so). I was banned for that reason and that reason only because I commented there a total of 4 times that I can remember and I surely was no sock puppet.
And since it appears that you may be good buddies with Charles, go back and ask him to match my ip addy to any other so called sock puppet. My user name there was “Knuckles”. I dare you to find one post of mine where I said anything disparaging towards Charles or any other member of his blog. A few simple down dings and my account was blocked.
And a note to Charles….publish my real name, like you’re doing to others and I’ll see you in court. I have unlimited wealth and would love the challenge.
May 9, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Its a valid challenge.
While you are at it, ask him why I was banned. The handle is “hornsofthedevil”, and you’ll see it was ONE post where I stated the site was starting to stink more and more.
One post voicing dissent… BANNED.
May 10, 2009 at 4:28 am
Like whadiff, I got booted from LGF because (I presume, because I didn’t post that day) I dinged a couple of Charles comments. I had never done that before, and I don’t remember what rant he was on about anyway. I joined at least four years ago, and was a big fan of Charles until his”anti-jihad” theme wound down and he started looking for other targets. That’s when I noticed he was very quick to judge, especially by using guilt by association. Oh, now I remember when I got booted – it was a thread about Glen Beck, and how bad he was because he had Nepalotano on his show, or because somewhere along the line he was associated with the John Birch society, etc, etc.
My theory is that Charles hates extremists, be they Islamic, conservative, Christian, or whatever. The problem is that he doesn’t seem to differentiate between extremist and advocate though. And as for his “guilt by association” meme: If he was blogging 2000 years ago Jesus would be in a world of hurt.
May 9, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I am glad to see someone finally calling out Rodan, the troll of a thousand names. He was outed as a fraud by Toasterhead at Think Progress.
Rodan/Trajan is quite notorious for being the master of the stalking blog and LGF is the fifth one so far.
Defenseman, you are to be commended for the well written expose of Trajan/Rodan and his cohorts at LGF2.
It’s time to sit back and watch this grow, Rodan is in a deep hole and he is still digging.
May 9, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I’ve MADE IT!
WhooHoo!!!
May 9, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I’ve mentioned it before, and I’ll say it again.
I was banned for a comment that was posted at LGF2 that was reported by a user at LGF. I believe the quote was “I just wish Charles would come out of the closet, so to speak.” It was in reference to my opinion that he has changed recently regarding the topics that he posts. Merely my opinion. In the thread that I was banned, (4/27/2009 thread about Glenn Beck), people were criticizing the posts on The 912 Project website. I tried to say that for years, people have criticized the comments at LGF (which are unfair) and now they were doing likewise. It didn’t make sense to me. My comments were deleted (except for a quote or two), but I feel my comments were completely respectful.
I would like to be able to defend myself and emailed Charles, but didn’t hear back from him.
May 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm
You got banned for backstabbing. You went to LGF 2.0 and boasted about your “brave” exploits at LGF. They were hardly brave, it was a casebook example of trolling. I’d have to say you earned it by deciding to troll rather than be a contributor.
May 9, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I guess I won’t change your opinion, but I’m not a troll. I read LGF for years and then finally registered in 2007. I didn’t post much. However, there were, what I felt, a lot of threads that are contrary to come of my beliefs. I finally started a post a few times. I had pretty good “lizard karma.” But I started noticing a lot of ad hominem attacks for anyone who supported Glenn Beck, Tea Parties and other topics. I started to post and then started getting downdinged.
I then found LGF2 (can’t remember how) and posted that I didn’t understand the changes at LGF.
What “brave” exploits? I posted at LGF2 because I felt LGF was changing too much for my tastes. I believe you are referring to what Jimmuh said in the tread where I was banned. Take a look at my posts (probably less than a dozen) at LGF2. I don’t think I was boasting about my “brave” exploits. That’s exactly what Jimmah said. In fact, some commenters felt I was being too nice to Charles after he banned me. I try to be a polite person in all aspects of my life. Thought I’m sure my wife would beg to differ. 😉
May 9, 2009 at 6:21 pm
“You got banned for backstabbing.”
Backstabbing? What sort of cult of personality is CJ running over there? People cannot say anything even mildly critical of him, on somebody elses blog?
And you are sitting here DEFENDING this guy?
May 9, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Vlaams Belang/Blok was founded by Holocaust deniers. There is no defense for that.
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2007/belgium.html
===
I’ve disagreed with Charles on numerous occassions and I’ve never been banned.
I’ve had comments removed, I’ve had other comments edited for content. Both of which are well within the rights of the blog owner.
LIARS,
R
May 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm
“Vlaams Belang/Blok was founded by Holocaust deniers. There is no defense for that.”
Now there’s a reliable source of information.
And there is no such thing as “Vlams Belang/Blok”.
“I’ve disagreed with Charles on numerous occassions and I’ve never been banned.”
Liar.
May 9, 2009 at 6:27 pm
No, many have disagreed with Mr. Johnson and have never been deleted, much less banned. It is you, sir, who is lying. As for Vlaams Belang and Vlaams Blok, Google it. Hell, I’ll save you the trouble. Vlaams Belang Vlaams Blok. Your ass has been fact checked, Subotai.
May 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm
With all due respect Render, the guy has banned whole swaths of people for nothing more than updinging other commentors.
Sure, its within his right to ban anyone he wants to, just as its within my right to give him crap for it.
BASK
IN
GLORY
CZ
May 9, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Most of those commentors have flamed out somehow and have had meltdowns.
BULL
SHIT
CHEN
D
May 18, 2009 at 6:35 am
So tell me, Defenseman, how do you cope with people calling you “Charles Johnson” all day?
May 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Charles Johnson is his own man. He has always been Honest, Fair, and quite Gracious on LGF. He also personally possesses and defends healthy limit setting on his blog when anyone, be you a short time user or lifetime user of HIS site, and are out of bounds. Whether this is proponing abusive behavior or expressing condensation toward the blog owner, requires active participation and clear mal intent and irresponsibility by the blogger.
He demands and expects personal individual responsibility for what individuals post on HIS site.
Cross those bounds and you will get the stick. How hard is it to misinterpret those house rules? NOT
Kudos defenseman! for connecting the dots for those who obviously don’t understand house rules on a blog and fein ignorance. One in 20 who have gotten the stick, and just can’t figure out why, will read your posts and will actually learn a very valuable life lesson…the rest will just attempt to jump in and out of other blog sites continuing their spewing of denial and martydom. The Oh, woe is me’s, I got the stick at LGF and I don’t know what I did wrong!?
What you are doing here is truly an act of love. Both, for those who continue to be the perpetuators of angry spewing against LGF and, also for those who wish to know the truth about what happened and are confused and can’t quite figure out what occurred.
Here is a quote that I believe sums up perfectly the integrity of Charles Johnson.
“Integrity is not a conditional word. It doesn’t blow in the wind or change with the weather. It is your inner image of yourself, and if you look in there and see a man who won’t cheat, then you know he never will.”
John D. MacDonald
May 9, 2009 at 9:20 pm
notutopia,
If what you say were true, I would expect that Charles Johnson would have banned Walter L Newton for his abusive profanity directed to other commenters. How do you explain that Walter L Newton hasn’t been banned?
What do you mean by flaming, if writing “Fuck you” to specific other commenters isn’t flaming?
May 10, 2009 at 7:33 am
I never once whined about being “banned”. I left the place and over a year later decided to do a blaze of glory exit and asked for the account to be closed.
No jealousy here, and I definitely have no wish to go back. I wouldn’t go there if someone paid me.
And seriously, condensation?
May 9, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Stalker sites are not cool, reflect poorly on the people who create them.
But,
You say above, “Lance just lost it”, then post the quote below as him losing it?
Is this a joke?
LanceKates 5/08/08 4:49:38 pm
re: #185 Killgore Trout
The cartoon was explained upthread, you shouldn’t find that surprising.
I don’t find the cartoon suprising, or its presence here, I’m afraid.
And your arrogant belittling attitude SURE isn’t suprising.
May 9, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Lance lost it by arguing with the blog owner, Mr. Johnson, and the other lizards. Lance just had to have his say on every creationism thread, and that say was little more than telling Mr. Johnson what he could and could not post on his own blog. A bit presumptuous of Lance, don’t you think to tell the blog owner what the blog owner can post about? Lance also became abusive toward the other commentors on those threads.
May 9, 2009 at 8:00 pm
And there you finally hit on the truth you are tyring so hard to avoid….
the bannable offense of
“by arguing with the blog owner, Mr. Johnson, and the other lizards”
hypocrit
May 9, 2009 at 9:26 pm
defenseman,
Are you implying that Kilgore Trout is actually Charles Johnson? Of course we don’t want to offend the blog owner. But how are we supposed to know we are offending the blog owner when he is using sock puppets like Salamantis and Kilgore Trout?
May 9, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“Johnson only banned those who decided to defame him and argue using ad hominem arguments.”
Incorrect, defenseman. I was banned for politely disagreeing with Charles.
May 9, 2009 at 6:12 pm
And reading through the LGF2 archives, I don’t think any of those posts were copied from LGF verbatim.
May 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm
gclaghorn~ I think Rodan had intended on copying and pasting Charles’ copy and pastes. But the good articles started coming less and less and the crazy posts started taking their place.
Then it became more fun just to mock him :o)
~m~
May 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Charles is reading this.
Charles is utterly obsessed with Charles.
But.
Charles is a lying sack of spit who, when he can’t ban someone (i.e., when they quit first) he outs them and lets his lizardoid flying monkeys try to get them fired.
The truth is here: tinyurl.com/stfutballs
This means; cross Charles and he will betray your trust. Post nothing there unless (a) you agree with everything he says, or (b) if you want to lose your job.
Charles, what are you doing wasting time reading this? There are a whole bunch of Lizard hatchlings that you could be banning and outing right about now.
P.S. Maybe you’re wondering why there are fewer now than before. We aren’t.
May 9, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Richard Kent. Lawyer? Angry person? Were you banned from LGF? I missed that.
May 9, 2009 at 6:19 pm
defenseman,
You are just mad Charles Johnson was exposed as a Leftists and has since proven LGF2 correct. You are either Charles or a stooge.
May 9, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Rather delusional, don’t you think, to claim I’m Mr. Johnson or a stooge? Maybe because I just turned a light on and all the roaches are scattering?
May 10, 2009 at 7:35 am
Turned the light on what? We’re glad for more people to know there is a place where they can speak freely about Charles.
Thanks!
May 11, 2009 at 5:26 pm
“It’s time for TOTAL war against Islam. I don’t give a fuck if its Radical Islam, moderate Islam, whatever. These beasts need to be exterminated, rooted out and cut to pieces.” – savage
“One thing I hope for is when the shit hits the fan, every one of these CJ style punks are rounded up and tossed out of my country.
And shoot them if they resist, citizenship or not” – savage
“Will someone please kill Obama?” -AvideditorLA
Turnin the light on that evil pish ya daft wee freak. An thurs mountains mair o that stuff tae see fur anybody thit can be bothered wadin through the shite on yer fucked up wee blog. You lot might be blind tae the reek comin aff yees, but normal folk, believe it ur no, can akchully see whit a bunch o deranged psychos yees ur.
Yees must be kinna dissapointed aw the same aboot wee Spencer no botherin tae defend yees, efter aw yees huv done fur him. If ah wiz you ah’d be tryin’ tae get him tae dae sumhin aboot that right noo.
May 16, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Talk to savage or avid or whoever about those post, dipshit. Freedom of speech sucks, huh? I’m sure you’re happier over at 1.0 where Charles approves opinions ahead of time. lol
May 9, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Whoever you are (probably CJ), you are not honest. I got banned after NEVER commenting, in all the years I was a member. Zero posts. I was happy to be a lurker and just read witty comments and intelligently expressed opinions, even by people I strongly disagreed with. I was banned for updinging/downdinging posts contrary to CJ’s opinions. If I’m not mistaken, there was never any rules posted on using those +/- signs, so how can using an instrument provided by the “gracious host” be “against the rules” and a reason for banning? LGF used to be a GREAT blog, but now it’s WAAAAY too much like the Soviet Union under Stalin: People anxious to kiss butt to stay on the right side of CJ turning on yesterday’s friends, colleagues, even family members. I grew up in the Soviet Union and am intimately familiar with the syndrome. What I don’t get is why free (so far) Americans would do this. CJ holds no power over their lives or livelihoods. It must be some variant of the Stockholm syndrome, but I don’t care enough to delve into it. I’m just writing this to let you know that your premise of “you’ve done something to deserve the banning” is flat-out wrong. Oh, and my nic there was Kroshka. You go check it out. If you have any honor, you’ll admit that you’re wrong about this. Then again, I won’t hold my breath.
May 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Right. And I’m Mickey Mouse.
May 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm
I think the dings have become a type of commentary. In your case you were generating too much negative karma and became a downer for everyone. What was your useful purpose? You would have been better off to leave a few comments and state your case.
May 9, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Negative karma and a downer? Useful purpose? Good Lord, do you know many people simply read blogs for information and never post? How many people who do just that and then dinged something, not knowing it was going to get you the boot? Why have the system? Or maybe the more updings you give Charles, the more he likes you? Is that it’s all about? A high school popularity contest?
And then you state “You would have been better off to leave a few comments”, and then what? You get banned for disagreeing. Your argument is seriously flawed.
May 9, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Noted,
If down dinging was a problem, Charles Johnson would ban Salamantis. But he doesn’t. I’ve seen threads where Salamantis made no comments but was up dinging and down dinging.
I think the problem is that Charles Johnson doesn’t have a clear rule system that he then administers fairly. The bannings come across as capricious and/ or favoritism.
May 9, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I’ve seen a lot of banned at LGF. Some people who blew up were able to get their accounts reinstated. I can’t recall hardly one banned person who knowing the blog rules didn’t deserve it. If you think you were banned quickly, let’s face it Charles probably recognized your MO before you did.
Probably the common theme is not arguing intelligently about a topic and drifting into slurring the host like a drunken lout on the fish wharf. It’s called FAIL in the modern terminology.
May 10, 2009 at 7:37 am
He knows what we think! lol Seriously, do you really believe this stuff? Is your head that far up… Sharmutant, is that you?
May 11, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Ye’ve git blood comin oot the side o yer gub, hen.
Jist thought ah’d menshin.
May 9, 2009 at 7:15 pm
You LGF2 muppets ur dain a great job o displayin jist aboot the maist blatant case o obsessive unrequitet love fur a bloke an his blog ah’ve evur seen. Fuxache – can yees no huv the meerest iota o self respect ataw? Cairryin on like a bunch a schoopit wee jiltet lassies, namin yer fucked up wee blog efter a blog thit yees say yees dinnae care aboot. Dotin oan every word that comes oota CJ’s gub anaw. An noo yer devotin entyur threads tae aff-the-cuff remarks made by folk that post on LGF.
See here fuckheids – yees aw got barred fur bein arseholes wan way or ane’er, whither it wis spittin the dummy oot over the fascism, creashunism ur jist generally bein a daft wee tit. LGF disnae like yees. It’s jist like whit happens when ye get chucked oot o a pub fur bein a prize prick. It’s time tae move oan an dae sumhin else wi the rest o yer sad wee lives.
May 9, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Defenseman,
Why would you allow this post by A Nonny Moose calling people “fuckheids” etc?
May 10, 2009 at 5:07 am
“Perpetua” – guid name, very apt, since yer hell bent oan spendin the rest o yer obviously empty wee life whinin aboot gettin banned fae a blog.
“….whine….Charles….whine…..Charles….Whine….Charles…..whine”
…in perpefuckin tuity.
Whair’s the stout defence fae Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller byrawiy? Nae posts aboot this oan eethur website? Yer buddies jist leaving yees tae get kicked arrond like this? Dearie me – I thought he might a hid the baws tae say sumhin aboot this terrible abuse o his wee pals thit huv supportit him through thick and thin, but naw, looks like he disnae huv the guts tae touch this wan. Whit a shame.
May 11, 2009 at 11:33 am
A Nonny Mouse,
Well it is true I don’t have the time and patience to try to decipher your comments. Is there a program that you can link so we can translate this back into standard English?
May 11, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Dinnae be coy noo dearie – as yer first comment shows yer followin me jist fine.
Checked oot LGF2’s “mother’s day” thread – wiz wonderin how long yees wid manage tae talk aboot sumhin apart fae LGF an CJ. Whit a fuckin comedy classic that turned oot tae be.
Didnae make it past the 2nd fukkin post did yees? Practically every post on that thread is mair screechin and whinin aboot LGF and CJ.
Interestin set o priorities you sick obsessive wee fuckers huv goat eh?
May 11, 2009 at 8:00 pm
A Nonny Moose,
You seem to be confused. I have nothing to do with LGF2.
You also seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be creating that weird patois. It reminds me of the Talk Like a Pirate Day generator. I do hope you are using a generator and not creating this from scratch.
May 12, 2009 at 2:10 am
Weird patois? This is ma language ya schoopit wee bastart. Sorry aboot mistakin ye fur a LGF2 mong though. Naw, really. I suppose it must be the fact that ye leapt tae thur defence coupled tae the fact that yer inane drivel matches theirs fur sheer stupid heided paranoia thit forced me intae such an ‘error’.
Ye might want tae consider prefacin future comments wi a wee disclaimer tae the effect that while bein oan the face o it every bit as mentally challenged an disconnectit fae reality as an LGF2 scumbag you urnie actually wan o thum. Convergent evolooshun an aw that.
May 12, 2009 at 8:04 am
A Nony Moose,
You seem to be imitating a vulgar abusive drunken person who hates LGF2 people.
Are you an actual LGF2 person doing this to ridicule LGF people?
Or are you pro-LGF and for some reason think this somehow reflects well on LGF?
May 12, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“Mummy -that man swore at a fascist and called him awful names!”
Oh aye, sure, it wid be a terrible thing tae huv anythin but respect such lovely exampos o humanity as produced the followin:
“It’s time for TOTAL war against Islam. I don’t give a fuck if its Radical Islam, moderate Islam, whatever. These beasts need to be exterminated, rooted out and cut to pieces.” – savage
“One thing I hope for is when the shit hits the fan, every one of these CJ style punks are rounded up and tossed out of my country.
And shoot them if they resist, citizenship or not” – savage
“Will someone please kill Obama?” -AvideditorLA
Givin these kinna folk(and thur apologists) a wee bit of rough ear bashin wi a few swearies thrown in is only gonnae be seen as a bad hing by the sorta folk it’s aimed at.
Shame on you fur indirectly defendin the perps o this shite by suggesting that LGF bans are fur nae good reason.
BTW I’m a reader o LGF that hisnae hid the oppurchancity tae register yet. Hopefully soon.
May 12, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Hi A Nonny Mouse,
I understand why you are defending Charles and LGF. The examples you give are ban worthy. (However, that point can be made without the use vulgar and obscene language.)
Please don’t assume that all the people banned from LGF were making such virulent comments as the ones you selected. There really is a group who were banned from LGF for other reasons. And Charles doesn’t communicate directly with us about this. I was banned, so I know.
I do hope you catch an open door and get registered at LGF and can start participating on the comment threads. Watch who is doing the up dinging and down dinging. (I’d love to learn your thoughts on what is going on after you have been doing this for a few months, even if I only understand part of what your write.)
It is possible that LGF is just a “guy thing”. I was looking on quantcast and the LGF readership is 86% male. My blog has 52% male. Also, 30% of those readers of my blog have kids under 17. Only 13% of LGF readers have kids under 17. So, I’m thinking that the gratuitous abusive language is from a guys without kids culture.
May 12, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Well ah’m glad tae hear thit yer no doon wi they fuckers on LGF2 – thur a poisonous lot fur sure.
Ah’m gonnae huv take ye tae task on the ID issue as weel though, cos yer bein eithur disingenuous ur naive aboot the way thit ID is bein used – but mibbe tomorrow ur so. Right noo ah’ve got tae get ma tea. Take care noo.
May 17, 2009 at 8:32 am
PLEASE stop the scottish crap, wouldja? It renders you impossible to read.
Unless your Charles, attempting to cover up another act of sockpuppetry.
May 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Yes, you are Mickey Mouse! Brilliant riposte! Bravo! My points are rendered worthless. I presume you don’t believe my statements. Which part?
You are a phony. If you have access to CJ’s archives, go check them out. If you don’t, you’re just blowing smoke and kissing butt.
Oh, and karma ratings? What are you, people, first-graders? (This remark is for the karma-obsessed). I can’t really be bothered to reply to such brilliance directly.
You and CJ deserve each other (hey, I think you are one and the same). How the mighty have fallen. From respectable to trash in 12 short months. One little hint: You know, when hundreds of people tell you you have a problem and 15 sycophants tell you you are the greatest thing since sliced bread, this should at least give you pause to consider that you MIGHT have a problem. Just food for thought.
May 9, 2009 at 7:32 pm
A problem, Gali’s Mom? A problem is when people side with Eurofascists and decide that someone cautioning that this is possibly a very bad idea is worthy of condemnation and scorn for doing so. A problem is when people accuse someone of hating Christians for simply pointing out that Intelligent Design is an brand of idiotarianism. That’s a problem. One should not go with the flow because it is easy. It is harder to take the correct stand when the lemmings are wrong.
Just food for thought, Gali’s Mom.
May 11, 2009 at 7:41 am
Hi defenseman,
I am glad you brought up the Intelligent Design issue. I think that a lot of people who are not young earth types understand the phrase “Intelligent Design” to designate the middle position on this Gallup Poll.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108226/Republicans-Democrats-Differ-Creationism.aspx
So, I think Charles is getting upset by and banning people who are not who he thinks they are.
I know Charles thinks that the history of that particular textbook demonstrates that Intelligent Design is a Trojan Horse for young earth Creationism.
But the phrase has entered the common usage to mean the beliefs of all people who are neither atheist or young earth, because we don’t have another phrase to designate that position.
So, a lot of people are getting banned just because they use the common usage meaning of Intelligent Design.
May 9, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Well, this has the potential to be a very damn interesting place.
Well done.
May 9, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Richard Kent. Lawyer? Angry person? Were you banned from LGF? I missed that.>>
Yes you did, because I wasn’t. I quit. You, Charles, outed me, which is despicable and reveals the fact that he will try to destroy those who don’t kiss your …. feet.
And yes, I am angry at you, Charles. Justifiably so. And will remind all who read your sockpuppet blogs that you are indeed a liar, of the lowest sort.
Oh, and know this: when you call me a “young earther” you are just as much a lying sack of spit as any velaams belangist or whatever it is you are obsessed with this particular instant.
Charles Johnson? Shut up ‘n’ play yer guitar.
May 9, 2009 at 10:05 pm
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/database.htm
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw97-8/belgium.html
http://www.nizkor.org/
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/dewinter
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/linked%20at%20LGF
TRIBUTE,
R
May 10, 2009 at 1:37 am
” . . . Johnson only banned those who decided to defame him and argue using ad hominem arguments . . .”
Ummmmm. No.
I made a comment about a commenter who had had his account blocked — I said something along the lines of: “Did he get on your last raw nerve?”
Later, in the same thread, I questioned Charles about his equating folks who disagreed with his POV as “haters”. I questioned this because over the years, LGF had been a place where moonbats, Islamicists, Paulians and such were mocked, ridiculed and excoriated for calling those who disagreed with THEIR POV as “haters”.
That was posted in the morning. I returned from work and couldn’t log into LGF ’cause my account had been blocked.
Seriously, defenseman, tell me how this was an instance of defamation and ad hominem attack– and don’t come back with that trite, “It’s his blog, he can do what he wants with it.” defense.
If Charles was consistent in applying his “standards”, that might be an acceptable defense, but over the last 6 months, consistency is _not_ a feature of LGF.
If you’ve got opposition on yourblog, silence it with truth and logic — if they will not be silent, how about the use of the LGF standby: GAZE
PS: I just noted your mission statement for your blog:
“Exposing the liars and haters”
Now, why am I not surprised by that.
heh
least
May 10, 2009 at 2:35 am
The VB have shit to do with this ridiculous, vicious behavior on both sides OK?
I said it two years ago and I am saying it again now.
I did all the research on the VB two years ago.
After these posts were made I spent almost a year continuing to research VB White Power and all the related groups.
He can call me nuts all he wants (so can they) but he did not delink this research, did he?
See
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/linked%20at%20LGF
Or
http://babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com/search/label/dewinter
The VB are REBRANDING, they are are bearding. They are scumbags.
SEE ENTRYISM
Yet I can still have a civil conversation with someone like Jeppo.
AMAZING.
The VB has zero to do with this tit for tat name calling utter bullshit you all love so much.
Last year he sat on threads calling me very name in the book.
SO?
I did not say a word.
Who looks like the ass when that is finished, hmmm?
No one involved here is concerned with truth … they are concerned with BEING RIGHT and saying NYAH NYAH NYAH and calling people names like a bunch of drunken children on crack.
Pathetic.
And stupid.
The world is dying.
Who gives a rats ass if someone called you a name?
You can’t stand that bullshit you sure as hell ain’t making it through what is to come that I can tell you.
Everyone needs to grow the fuck up.
But I ain’t holding my breath.
May 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Bitter much?
May 10, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Say Rose, did you know that the Celtic cross in your icon got quite a bit of attention on Charles’ site? I wonder why you picked that in light of your allegiances.
May 16, 2009 at 7:31 pm
She’s a Charles approved Nazi see…
May 10, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Baba,
You are definitely one of the personalities I missed seeing on old LGF. It certain lost something when you were gone.
May 12, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Naw it didnae.
May 10, 2009 at 3:54 am
This whole pissing match with LGF and whoever is stupid and counterproductive. We all share a common enemy – islamic fascists – and to see what was once *the* premier anti-jihadi blog turn around and become “the vaccine and creationists suck blog” is disappointing. It’s Charles’ blog, he can do what he wants, that’s fine, but he has lost me as a reader. I have no desire to read a blog from a guy who picks fights with people that probably agree with him 80% of the time. He has alienated a lot of people, and they weren’t all Euro-fascists and creationists. I get my news elsewhere now, and from people that don’t have egos the size of the titanic. CJ is ban-crazy too, which I don’t care for.
Good riddance, LGF. It was a nice run, but you have jumped the shark and are no longer a top-notch anti-jihadi blog.
May 10, 2009 at 3:54 am
I’ve been banned three times at LGF. The last time was for asking, on an open thread, what happened to Charles’ sitemeter feature. Must be a touchy subject, because I’m sure *he* knows his traffic is down.
LGF has gotten worse than Kos in terms of banning contrary opinion. This used to bother me, but now I find it funny. I do, however, worry about Charles’ increasing paranoia and vengefulness.
May 10, 2009 at 4:19 am
Nonsence.
I was banned because I dared to question the Holy Theory of Evolution, and for saying that Charles’ view on the definition of evolution is bogus.
May 10, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I see we have yet another IDer here. As I answered Joe, you guys are promoting a combination of religion and politics in the face of the separation of church and state we have in the US, and in the face of centuries of scientific data.
May 10, 2009 at 6:52 pm
See, this is what I mean. You automatically assume that anyone who is critical of evolutionists is an “IDer”.
Let me explain again – my point had absolutely nothing to do with the ultimate validity of either side. It pertained simply to the fact that “IDer”‘s are called “idiots”, which is an emotional rather than a logical response. It is ad-hominem attack, not debate.
May 11, 2009 at 11:43 am
I agree with Joe that calling someone an “idiotarian” is a problem. There are people reading the blog to try to understand the issues and want to follow the arguments. I would upding comments on either sides of an argument if I thought they were helpful to understanding. If I disagreed with someone, but they provided a good link to support their position, I thought that deserved an upding.
May 10, 2009 at 4:44 am
Still whining about being banned, gawd what a bunch of losers.
You’ve had your fun for a good long while folks, at Mr. Johnsons’ expense… but the time for that is done. Surely you didn’t think you were going to continue getting away with your libel, slander and abuse indefinitely?
Those of us who are tired of seeing the innocent reputation of a decent man trashed by you and others like you, are not going to sit by anymore and watch it happen. We’re going to shine a lot on your lies, manipulation, and foul behavior and ultimately, we’re going to put you out of business.
Enjoy the time that you have over at 2.0, because the days are growing short.
Irish Rose
May 10, 2009 at 10:28 am
Sorry, Rose. The time for that is NOT done. littlegreenfootballs2 is still running without missing a beat. What is it about free speech that you don’t understand? And don’t give me the “whining about being banned” bullshit, unless you can find a post where I did that. Here’s a hint: it does not exist. I left and then posted (over a year later) that I wished for my account to be closed. I really did “ask for it”.
And where Chaz is concerned? In the words of his new hero Kos, screw him.
The alternative to lgf where people can give their side of the story will stay up and running. Deal with it. It is not illegal to disagree with Chuck, or to call him a wuss and point out when he acts like one, no matter how much you wish it was.
May 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm
You believe yourselves to untouchable and above accountability. That false belief will ultimately be your undoing.
May 10, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Oooooh scawwy kids. Whaddayagonna do, sue everyone who can’t stand the Squire of Gothos?
May 13, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Uh, our days are growing short?
You know that Charles can’t ban us anymore, right? I mean, you know that his omniscient nature only applies to his website, right?
Or are you perhaps threatening us? I live in Oklahoma, come on by. we’ll “chat”…
May 16, 2009 at 7:33 pm
ssshhhhhhhhhhh Lance! You just broke Rose’s heart! And here she thought Charles ran the internet. Al Gore appointed, I’m sure.
May 13, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Uh, our days are growing short?
You know that Charles can’t ban us anymore, right? I mean, you know that his omniscient nature only applies to his website, right?
Or are you perhaps threatening us? I live in Oklahoma, come on by. we’ll “chat”…
May 10, 2009 at 4:52 am
It seems to me you need to include yourself in the category of “haters” – anyone who says “exposed the idiotarianism of Intelligent Design” belongs in that group.
Why is it necessary for you to call people who believe something you disagree with “idiots”? It’s obvious that your *emotions* rule you when it comes to this topic, not your logic. Why not simply show, through logic and facts, why they ID believers are *wrong*, and leave the hating to others?
May 10, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Oh? Considering that ID is intended to be a breach of the separation of church and state that we have had for centuries in the US, we are not “haters” for pointing out that it has no place in public schools, and the promoters of it are wrong. They’re wrong also in the face of centuries of scientific data.
May 10, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Please read again what I said. I said you should be included in the category of “haters” because you call the ID proponents idiots, thereby giving in to emotion rather than using logic and facts. You engage in ad-hominem attacks, rather than in a rational debate.
My point had ***nothing whatsoever*** to do with the ultimate validity of one side or the other – it had to do with the manner in which your are conducting yourself in this debate.
May 10, 2009 at 5:12 am
CJ is suffering from early dementia and think he is the Red queen in Alice in wonderland.
As to this post, it sucks as much as lgf does now.
May 10, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Whatever. I find it is those who claim that Mr. Johnson is suffering from this or that tend to be projecting themselves on him. I think that includes you.
May 10, 2009 at 6:09 am
Irish Charles:
You look good in a dress.
And you know precisely why I’m PO’d: not because I was “banned” (I wasn’t) but because I was outed–and because you, O “good man” (you ain’t!) like to spread bullspit like how I am a “young earth creationist” when you know that I’m not (go back and look for my posts on the subject) in order to discredit me.
Rosie, if you are NOT Charles, please know that your slinky but oh-so-proper ‘defense’ of the man is utterly creepy.
May 10, 2009 at 6:41 am
Am I Charles, or aren’t I?
Only my hairdresser knows for sure.
May 10, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Let me grab a highly polished shield before I gaze indirectly on your image.
May 10, 2009 at 7:16 am
Ooooh, nice attempt at diversion from my points. You know NOTHING about my religious or evolution beliefs, as they were never expressed on your blog. I don’t care about Eurofascists, Belgians, or any misconceived labels you want to stick on people because the methods you use against people you disagree with are DESPICABLE and DISHONORABLE. I escaped the Soviet Union and came to America and came to cherish American values. And I hate to break it to you, but calling people names when they disagree with you and stifling dissent and insulting others’ deeply held religious beliefs ARE NOT American values. Oh, wait. Apparently, yes, they are. They are the LIBTARDS’ values. Remember those people you used to make such fun of? Well, you’ve now devolved to the level of Kos, and this is NOT a compliment.
You, an overgrown little boy, are punching a keyboard and feeling put-upon and seeing Nazis and creationists and PEOPLE WHO “HATE” and “DEFAME” you behind every bush. News flash: They are all in your head!!!! Nobody cares about your pet peeves. Well, maybe Irish Rose does, but that’s about all. Grow up and face the truth and recognize the real threats to America and the world, which are not right-wingers or military folk or Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller. I’ve never met seven members of my family because they were KILLED by real Nazis. I had a great-grandfather spend years in Stalin’s gulags. I’ve experienced the joys of socialism and anti-semitism firsthhand. My relatives in Israel are living in fear of their lives every day. I know how ugly reality can be. You are concerned about the Odin’s cross on someone’s bookshelf. Shame on you. When I bothered to look under the surface, I saw you for what you are: a little green poseur and cry-baby, with nothing meaningful to contribute to the grown-ups’ discourse, someone who throws stones at former allies and stabs people in the back. Enjoy your little “amen corner” however long it lasts. Judging by your traffic numbers, not very long. Normal people (i.e., the rest of us) will just GAZE.
May 10, 2009 at 8:56 am
Vlaams Belang is essentially a reorganized version of Vlaams Blok which was forced to change its name and remove the racist elements by the Belgian government. In addition to Vlaams Blok’s racist ideology it included a variety of elements including Holocaust deniers, promotion of segregation, etc. Vlaam Blok “was founded by dissatisfied members of the largest right wing party at the time, the Volksunie (People’s Union). Among them were a former Volksunie deputy (Lode Claes) and more militant people like Karel Dillen. The founders had strong links to, and open sympathy for, the Nazi political system New Order and the ensuing collaboration with the Nazis during World War II.”
There’s an old saying that says “you can’t legislate morality.” In the case of Vlaams Belang you can’t legislate ideological change and the essential ingredients and ideology found with Vlaams Blok remains in place in Vlaams Belang. Some of its current positions includes amnesty for former collaborators of the 3rd Reich; opposition to anti-racist laws; opposition to the European Union; opposition to adoption by same-sex married couples (the latter of which is legal in Belgium); Flanders secession; and an overall policy of nationalism and xenophobia.
It’s most prominent member is Filip Dewinter who is in alliance (along with Vlaams Belang) with other controversial political parties such as the white supremacist UK party, BNP; the neo-Nazi founded pro-Koeln which includes Axel Reitz attorney Markus Beisicht, Manfred Rouhs (NPD) who has an affinity for Skinhead music, and Nazi youth music which is still available from an associated pro-Koeln website to this day.
Many of these parties have seen some growth since September 11, 2001. Islamism in the form of Jihad against the West presents a complicated problem that we must face forthright. However, we must be vigilant with regards to alliances with parties such as Vlaams Belang, BNP, pro-Koeln, and other extremist groups. Given their history they must be rejected and a reasonable alternative must be pursued because to embrace or even become apologists to these parties will only result in the return of authoritarian regimes in Europe. In the face of Jihadism people must reject those that are simply taking advantage of this climate to peddle what in the end is just another ideology of hate.
May 10, 2009 at 11:33 am
Re: my comment May 10, 2009 at 1:37 am
I am but one of many who’ve been blocked for questions about inconsistencies. dm, what is your take?
Compare and contrast the manner of these blockings and the John D McDonald quote from nutopia’s comment May 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm.
May 10, 2009 at 11:53 am
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw97-8/belgium.html
“Vrij Historisch Onderzoek (European Foundation for Free Historical
Research — VHO). Set up in 1985, the VHO promotes the widespread
circulation of various documents denying the genocide committed by the
Nazis. Its leading figure, Siegfried Verbeke, who is regularly investigated by the legal authorities, is a former national VMO leader who took part in the creation of the VB. In France the VHO has links with Robert Faurisson, the neo-Nazi review l’Autre Histoire, and the anti-Semitic weekly Rivarol.”
“The Belgium-based European Foundation for Free Historical Research (Vrij Historisch Onderzoek — VHO), headed by Siegfried Verbeke, is one of the main distributors of Holocaust denial maerial in the world today (see previous reports). This is in spite of the fact that Belgium passed a law in 1995 making Holocaust denial illegal. VHO maintains strong links with individuals and organizations in several countries, such as Radio Islam in Sweden, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH) in California, and the Australian Adelaide Institute. VHO publishes, translates and disseminates Holocaust denial publications from all over the world, mainly through its widely-linked website on the Internet. Recently, Verbeke began propagating on his website the quarterly Vierteljahreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung (Quarterly for Free Historical Research), a forum for Holocaust denial in German. He distributes books and pamphlets that are banned in Germany (see Germany). German Holocaust denier Germar Rudolf, who fled to Spain to avoid serving a prison sentence, is one of Verbeke’s favorite authors. His publications, translated into several languages can be downloaded from the VHO-website.”
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2004/belgium.htm
“Since its success in the 1991 legislative elections, the Vlaams Blok (VB; now Vlaams Belang − see below), which has been part of the far right surge in Europe in recent years, along with France’s NF and Austria’s FPÖ, has moderated its tone considerably on matters related to the Jews and the Holocaust (see ASW 2001/2); nevertheless, it still retains ties with small neo-fascist and antisemitic groups, such as Voorpost and Were Di. Moreover, VB head Filip Dewinter has even demonstrated solidarity with the Jewish community and with Israel, especially since the creation of the AEL. This tactic was designed to attract part of the Antwerp Jewish vote during the campaign for the June 2004 regional elections. Although the results of the election demonstrated that the vast majority of Antwerp Jewry was not convinced the VB had undergone a fundamental change, it increased its strength in the Flemish electorate and confirmed its status as the leading political party in the city of Antwerp, with 35 percent of the overall vote. The VB is also the main Flemish political party in the Brussels regional parliament, holding 6 out of the 11 seats held by Flemings. Despite its electoral success, the party is ostracized by all other political organizations. A cordon sanitaire imposed by Belgium’s mainstream parties is aimed at preventing the VB from becoming a governing party, whether on a federal, regional or local level.”
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2007/belgium.html
“The Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest − VB) succeeded the Vlaams Blok after the latter was forced to disband in 2004 following a Belgian court’s decision that it was racist and outside the bounds of legal public discourse see (ASW 2004). After toning down some of the Blok’s extremist anti-immigrant and Holocaust denial rhetoric, the VB won significant percentages of the vote in Flanders. Despite its demonstrations of solidarity with the Jewish community since the creation of the AEL and its more moderate tone in relation to the Holocaust and the Jews in general, the VB continues to retain ties with small neo-fascist and antisemitic groups, such as Voorpost, Were Di and the Vlaamse Militanten Orde (VMO). Besides being the leading political party in the city of Antwerp, having gained 35 percent of the overall vote in the 2004 elections, the VB is also the main Flemish political party in the Brussels regional parliament, with 6 out of the 11 seats held by Flemings. The VB is one of the founders of the Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty (ITS), a racist and antisemitic group formed in the European Parliament in January 2007. Other members include the French Front National and Romania’s Greater Romania Party, among others.
Filip Dewinter, one of the leaders of VB and a member of the Belgian parliament, and Frank Vanhecke, VB member of the European parliament, visited the US in February, where they reportedly met with representatives of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and spoke at a forum organized by the conservative Robert A Taft Club in Arlington, Virginia. Dewinter also spoke on the white supremacist “Political Cesspool” Internet radio program. The Virginia forum consisted of an amalgam of supporters of the former conservative Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, proponents of scientific racism, and white supremacists from the Council of Conservative Citizens. Dewinter and Vanhecke attacked multiculturalism (as the “new communism”), bemoaned the falling birth rate among white Europeans and declared their intention to save “the West” from the depredations of immigrants who followed the Islamic faith. Islam was like a cuckoo that laid its eggs in your nest; but the West was not yet dead, they argued, in a reference to Pat Buchanan’s book, The Death of the West (Searchlight Magazine, 2007). The two reportedly met privately with Buchanan, who gave them a copy of his anti-immigrant book, State of Emergency (ADL release, Feb. 26).
In September, Dewinter and the man responsible for party security, Luc Vermeulen, participated in a Flemish neo-Nazi VMO meeting.”
===
I’ve got your “crickets” you lying sack of shit.
BOLT
CLOSED,
R
May 10, 2009 at 12:42 pm
LGF2 does have some wacky, offensive, and downright loony characters -to include people trying to defend the Serbian genocide in Bosnia (I happened to have served under Clinton in the IFOR commitment to help stop that particular genocide). The differences are that, unlike LGF:
1) You are allowed to listen to alternative opinions that are not wacky, offensive or loony
2) You are not kicked permanently from the site, without warning, for disagreeing (however slightly) with the established canon.
My particular “offense” at LGF was admitting to being Catholic. And mind, I do not claim that Johnson does not have the right to run his site in whatever way he wishes – but I as well have the right not to like it, and to say as much. Admitting to being Catholic does not constitute violent, abusive or insulting commentary, and ought not to justify a summary banning.
The environment at LGF has become very hostile of late to Christians. The intention seems to be to insult and provoke Christians until they complain, then to ban them as soon as they reveal themselves. It does not matter if these Christians support or denounce creationism, or if they accept or repudiate evolutionary theory – once they reveal themselves as religious Christians, they are gotten rid of.
It is silly to think that people treated in such a manner will simply disappear from the blogosphere. The growing plethora of blog sites for people who have been cast out of LGF, for various reasons, speaks to the sort of criteria by which such bannings are made. The very fact that there has arisen a need for a “defense” site such as this one is indicative of how far this sort of thing has gone.
I still like to visit the LGF site, and check on the articles posted there. Johnson can be quite perspicacious at times, and many of the articles presented are well researched and informative. But I don’t bother with the commentary there so much anymore, as they have been cleansed of any critical examination of the articles presented – most everyone remaining is either an enthusiastic sycophant for whatever Johnson has to say (even before he says it) or is too afraid to comment otherwise. I’d rather check in at LGF2, see what these “liars and haters” have posted in their “cesspit”, and use that to aid my own critical analysis – precisely because, howsoever Johnson’s “lizard army” might rail in outrage against them, they remain outside the power of Johnson to further ostracize and silence.
For people so hostile to a revealed truth without scientifically-verifiable substantiation, Johnson’s crew behaves quite remarkably like a fanatical religious cult themselves. Much of what is said about them at LGF2 is not entirely fair, and is motivated by emotion rather than hard analysis, but some of it is right on target. If there are lizards who are upset with the running anti-LGF commentary there and at other “stalker” sites, they might consider improving their behavior and the behavior of their “Fearless Leader” rather than simply panning their critics with vitriol and personal invectives. I might also point out that helping to generate further evidence of irrational hatred, monolithic ideological orthodoxy and ruthless denunciation of dissent amongst the lizardoids at a sister site like this will not help prove the case for LGF being objective, even-handed and tolerant.
May 10, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Du hast es recht, kamerad!
Methinx that Charles’s REAL issue with Catholics is simple: he is in exile from the True Faith and it bothers his conscience.
May 10, 2009 at 8:39 pm
I doubt that particular accusation has any validity. My own opinion is that Johnson wants to expunge Christians from the Republican Party because he considers them irrational and absurd, with beliefs that are scientifically indefensible. I suspect he has the same low regard for Christian ethics as Christopher Hitchens does.
But his own hatred of Christians can stretch the bounds of the absurd – once going so far as claiming that some Christian was a creationist, despite his claims to the contrary, based on his supposition that “Christians are liars”. He takes the idea that Christians are idiotic, ignorant and responsible for the decay in public education as givens – despite the fact that many of the best performing private schools are Catholic institutions.
Might I add, that in the Catholic private high school I attended, both the Biblical narrative regarding the origin of life as well as evolutionary theory were presented to us – the former in our religious class, the latter in our biology class – without any of my fellow students suffering whatsoever for it.
I would suggest that letting intelligent people speak in their defense against a campaign of hatred unsubstantiated by facts does not help those intent on promoting that campaign of hate. For similar reasons classical economists are not given fair hearings by Bolsheviks. Thus why I welcome what LGF2 has done, in allowing a forum for alternative views that would otherwise be quashed by the doctrinaire administrators of the LGF site.
As to shutting LGF2 down by means of claims of “plagarism” or other nefarious schemes, I welcome them to try. Having them engage in a dedicated and ruthless campaign to utterly silence naysayers will not only end in a ridiculous public failure, but will also quash any reasonable future claims that LGF tolerates discussion or dissent. The fact that the lizards are openly threatening the people who run LGF2 and who post there is itself indicative of to what lengths the people of LGF feel entitled to censor others.
If they are truly interested in allowing for a forum for fair discussion onthe issues they raise, they ought to change their tactics. If they would rather not, that is likewise their perogative. But they have no power to regulate what is said about nefarious behaviors they are intent on continuing – especially when what is said about them is absolutely true. If the powers-that-be at LGF think otherwise, instead thinking that they have the power to stifle discourse about them on other sites or else ruin those that refuse their edicts, again I dare them, with the greatest anticipatory enthusiasm, to try living up to their repeated threats. It would be a most amusing and entertaining exercise to watch unfold.
May 11, 2009 at 7:04 am
I suspect he has the same low regard for Christian ethics as Christopher Hitchens does.>>
No; Hitchens’ is far deeper and has a far more terrible basis: “It was in 1973, aged 24 and now working for the Statesman, that Hitchens got a call from his father asking him if he knew where his mother was. She had disappeared and her passport was gone. Hitchens was fully aware that she had been having an affair. His mother had introduced him to the man, a defrocked former vicar, who was a “bit of a charmer,” though also clearly a “flake and a third-rater.” But she was keeping up appearances, fulfilling her social role as his father’s wife, so her disappearance was a mystery. Then, a couple of days later, the Times and the BBC reported that she had been found dead in an Athens hotel room along with her lover….a note that she had left revealed that it had been a suicide pact. He also discovered that she had been trying to contact him in the days before her death.” Source: http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10157.
IOW, Hitchens–more intelligent than the Squire of Gothos by several orders of magnitude (not that that is very hard)–has a hatred for God and Christianity likely stemming from a fear that his mother is being eternally punished for her suicide. (Likely he hates Islam for 9/11, and Judaism just because he wants to appear even-handed.)
Hitchens is far more dangerous to Christianity than Charles, and is also a far sadder case. The Squire of Gothos, by comparison, is a mere jerk. But then, Hitchens has never defamed me or tried to get me fired, either. So there it is.
May 11, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Whether or not the initial reason Hitchens learned to despise Christians is due to a personal incident (and I can imagine what Hitchen’s response might be to aspersions claiming his mother was “defrocked” by a vicar), his arguments that he most frequently uses at present relate directly to what he perceives as a lack of intellectual honesty amongst the religious, if not a tendency toward downright deception and fraud. If you would take the time to peruse the arguments he uses in his book, “God is not Great”, you would easily ascertain as much. On the basis of what I know of the man, he would swell with pride at the idea that he was a “significant threat” to Christianity, and I would assume would indeed himself openly claim that this was his intent – that is, to rid the world of the religion “con game” with the most peaceful means that might be managed. Thus the books, magazine articles, speeches, etc.
It is exactly this sort of thinking that would compel an otherwise rational person to exclaim that “Christians are liars” a priori. It is also the kind of reasoning that would incline people with such beliefs to summarily ban others based on an expression of religious identification or belief.
What is especially galling is that the practice, while being quite blatant and obvious, is vehemently denied by the people at LGF, who have at times claimed that the site is unusually tolerant and unbiased. Those who complain (assuming they aren’t in a bannable state) are insulted and abused as “asshats” and “stalkers”. Meanwhile the lists of the banned grows – people who were at first enticed to join what they thought to be an open, objective forum that would critically examine the issues, to insteadd be put out summarily for expressing dissent, or based on an unacceptible group identification, or because they post at proscribed blogs, or even on a whim.
Large numbers of people have thus been treated in a most uncivil manner, heckled and ridiculed and banned without the recourse of making any sort of response. It is absurd to think, after this has been done repeatedly over a period of months, that disgruntled groups of people so treated would get together to discuss the matter. It is outrageous to think that further abuse, and now threats, would do anything but increase the litany of complaints.
Calling people “idiotarians” while trying to prevent them from making a response in their defense is a nasty practice. In the sphere of the worldwide web, trying to silence such critics by engaging in more of the same is likewise an exercise in futility. At least Hitchens allows those he disagrees with to have their say, regardless of their affiliations – so confident is he in his arguments, whether they be on the issue of Iraq, Kissinger, religion or otherwise. Johnson is not nearly as civil, and he and his minions appear to not only applaud censoring dissent, even crowing about the discomfort they so cause, they then subsequently deny having behaved in such a manner.
I do not know the reasons behind these antics. I can only relate that they happen, and add my voice to others that are being branded as “liars” and “slanderers” by the people responsible. If Johnson’s defenders want to ‘set the record straight”, let them do so in the face of reasoned testimony by their banned victims – I have no intention of exchanging insults and wild accusations.
May 11, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Well said, Anon:
“Calling people “idiotarians” while trying to prevent them from making a response in their defense is a nasty practice. In the sphere of the worldwide web, trying to silence such critics by engaging in more of the same is likewise an exercise in futility. At least Hitchens allows those he disagrees with to have their say, regardless of their affiliations – so confident is he in his arguments, whether they be on the issue of Iraq, Kissinger, religion or otherwise. Johnson is not nearly as civil, and he and his minions appear to not only applaud censoring dissent, even crowing about the discomfort they so cause, they then subsequently deny having behaved in such a manner.”
I love Hitchens even though he is an atheist. He is such a courageous defender of free speech. Actually, I still love LGF and Charles Johnson, but he is not a courageous defender of free speech.
May 10, 2009 at 3:12 pm
“Utter bullshit. Johnson only banned those who decided to defame him and argue using ad hominem arguments.”
That statement is utter bullshit.
I was a long time reader and very infrequent commenter.
I was banned strictly for rating comments. I commented in a thread about the Fox reporter at the GE stockholder meeting, but nothing abusive or insulting.Something to the effect that it wasn’t anything to get your panties in a wad over. I just didn’t agree with Charles.
After I rated comments in the thread, Chuckles banned me.
May 11, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Guess whit? Cowardly wee numpties like yersel that hardly ever comment but go aboot dingin other people doon also get banned. Stoap greetin an get yersel a life.
May 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm
“Will you stop that? You talk just like everybody else when you get excited.”
“That’s a damned lie!”
– The Mote in God’s Eye
May 15, 2009 at 9:31 pm
No doubt anyone banned from LGF, for whatever reason, shall be deemed as “utterly despicable” thereafter by the remaining loyalists. People banned for speaking their mind will be banned to protect free speech. People banned for making comments that point out discrepancies in the logic of the present LGF ideology will be banned in the name of objectivity. People who present evidence that refutes that ideology will be banned in the name of scientific rigor. People kicked out for belonging to proscribed groups will have been banned in the name of diversity. And so on.
The methodology being used to generate a fanatical loyalty on the LGF board is well known. Saddam Hussein was wont to use similar techniques – at one meeting, reading out individually the names of half of the members of his inner circle and staff, who were then immediately dragged outside and summarily shot. The remaining survivors would clap and cheer at each reading of a name, becoming more and more heated in their hysterical enthusiasm as the process continued, in the hopes that their own names would not be shouted out.
The problem in this case is that we can only be denied the right to respond on the official site. We cannot be permanently silenced, despite threats to that effect.
The rash of bannings at LGF can be neither rationally nor ethically justified. Too many decent and innocuous people have been cast out and slandered for the most trivial of reasons – and there is plenty of evidence to back up that claim. Condescending insults in a feigned accent do not change the facts.
May 16, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Hey ANON (not Nonny Moose, I’m not talking to YOU!)–
This brief essay is the best summary on The Squire of Gothos I’ve ever read. Can I repost it to my blog? (infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com)
May 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm
With all the attacks Johnson has leveled at so-called “fascist enablers”, anti-vaccine people, creationists and birthers, it makes me wonder what his next target will be. The anti-fluoride crowd? Homeschoolers? Who will be next?
May 10, 2009 at 4:17 pm
It will be anyone who is an idiotarian, Morgan, and deservedly so. There are enough nuts in the anti-fluoride crowd who cross paths with the anti-vaxers. I doubt homeschoolers are on anyone’s idiotarian agenda.
May 10, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Nevertheless, the absurdity of Charles Johnson knows no bounds, especially with the so-called Eurofascists. He spends too much time focusing on enemies that don’t exist, and not enough time on those enemies that do exist.
May 10, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Arr! Hello mates, got banned by Charles six months ago. Its his blog and he can ban as he see’s fit, I saw it coming three months earlier with Charles banning anyone who disagreed with his emphasis on anti-creationism. LGF was Charles creation and he spent a massive amount of time in making the site work fast and easy. However I believed Charles was diluting the efforts of the orginal goal of anti-jihad support with his boring anti-creationism threads. Charles is a very smart guy and technically probably has the best blog on the planet. I refuse to become an anti-LGF’er because so much of what Charles does is absolutely correct and he performs a valuable service to the blogger community that is dominated by Daily Kos and Democrat Underground. Charles made and changed history in 2004 with his famous throbbing memo that revealed that CBS was using poorly forged documents in its 60 minutes Dan Rather hit peice on President Bush. I was banned for lamenting that LGF was not as focused in the 2008 lelection loss to Obama, and I thought a big reason was Charles focus on anti-creationsim. Bad mistake, and I am not big on begging for forgiveness for speaking what I see as the truth. To all you LGF’ers I wish you and Charles the very best. But its time to move on, I do comment on a local blog concerned with corruption within our police department. Do a search on DeKalb officers speakout and you will find it. Fair winds and a following sea, mates.
May 10, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Hello, I am Czarmangis and I am addicted to Little Green Footballs.
I was banned twice. The first time foe some content on my feeble attempt at a blog.- LittlegreenfootballsvsHiffpo.blogspot.com – I had a little photo spot where I basically said “If it has a beard,Shoot it” and a photo of a Hooded Hamas child holding a toy rifle next to an adult terrorist and captioned it as ” This becomes this, “Shoot it”. okay, that was extreme and I understand why I would be banned for that,although I am only guessing that was the reason.
The second time I was banned for going off on some mini-rant about black muslims. I call them ‘Fakeass black muslims’, and I do so because I had lived in Iran and Saudi Arabia for 5 years as well as serving a short stint in jail where, once it was discovered that I had some real experience with ‘Islam” , I was the most popular white guy in that Atlanta clink,to the so-called black “Muslims” because they knew Nothing about it. Just the dumb follower victimhood speil that predominates the uneducated masses that become exposed to that “Religion”. Hell I had to tell them in wich direction to face when praying…..but I understand why I was banned.
The comments that I made would require such a grasp of the very individual context from which I chose to express myself that it just sounds like I was being some short fused nutjob extremist, I suppose.
LGF is still the first site I visit EVERY SINGLE TIME I SIGN ONTO MY COMPUTER.
Most of what he says pretty much lines up with my own opinion but he is far better at making a case for his stance and reasoning for events that he post. So, I’m a fan and Mr.Footballs is all right by me.
As for you poor,poor little picked on punks…accept your banishment and GO DIE!!!!
woops , there I go again……
May 10, 2009 at 9:58 pm
My feeble attempt at a blog was
Littlegreenfootballsvshuffpo.blogspot.com
May 11, 2009 at 6:38 am
I rather enjoy this Perez Hilton-like side of Charles Johnson’s personality. I knew something was amiss when CJ went on his little witch hunt back during the early days of the VB/Gates of Vienna/Fjordman/Atlas/Spencer controversy. I took it pretty personally at first, getting tossed off for being a “closet Nazi.” As I imagine most do/did. Some random dude on the Internet proclaiming other folks, most of whom he’s never met, as “Nazi sympathizers” to the adulation of his Jewish sycophants who see Nazis under their beds at night. But I find it amusing at this point. I do wish you guys would keep this up. Makes for great workday entertainment. And, yes, CJ has most decidedly taken an anti-Christian bent of late. You can’t deride someone for their belief system and then suddenly claim you’re not opposed to that belief system. CJ wishes to have his cake and eat it too in this regard.
May 11, 2009 at 8:04 am
What, no mention of the Nodrog in this litany? Perhaps that’s because I don’t quite fit into your anti-LGF demonology.
Interestingly enough, I was outing the haters on LGF long before Charles was, as is documented in my other blog, nodrogsgreatesthits.blogspot.com. Take a look at that if you want to see the seamy, puss-filled underbelly of LGF from 2004 until late 2006, when Charles finally decided to clean house.
Charles happens to be right on both of the issues, European Fascism and Creationism, that have sent the LGF2 wackos rocketing into their angry stratosphere. But that doesn’t mean that Charles isn’t a simpering martinet too.
May 16, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Actually Gordon, nobody at 2.0 gives a flying flit what Charles believes about either subject. It’s the refusal to even allow the other side a voice that pisses most people off.
And the lies.
He has lied about so many people after he banned them because they had no way to refute any of it.
Now they do.
You’d fit right in these days!
May 11, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Gordon! (or Nodrog). My debating companion on many a night, Glad to see you mate! LGF lost something or actually a lot when you were banned or disapeared (I was hoping the CIA wasn’t holding you!) Glad to see you around and will be glad to engage in serious and spirited debate any night! I always thought were sort of mis-understood by LGF and pretty badly abused. Keep in touch!
May 11, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Quite a few people on LGF2 are nasty and/or crazy. But that doesn’t mean everyone who complains about how they were treated at LGF, whether on that site or elsewhere, is a “liar”, “hater” and “stalker” that isn’t worth paying any attention to.
May 12, 2009 at 12:45 am
As they used to say on the late, and much lamented Blame Bush, “Pass the Bong to Sarge”
“If I am to follow your line of reasoning about being banned, all those bannees must be jerks, fascists, right wing kooks, left wing kooks, creationists, Pastafarians, Rastafarians, vocal Christians, Mormons, Druids, Ron Paul supporters, Glenn Beck listeners, Pam Geller/Atlas Shrugs readers, Ron Popeil fanatics, secret illuminati sock puppets, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists… or other undesirables, right? It ain’t so.
…and it shouldn’t matter if they are.”
That was brilliant Sarge! Well done!
May 17, 2009 at 10:49 am
He forgot to mention mother rapers, father stabbers, father rapers, those convicted of littering, and everyone else sitting on the Group W bench.
May 12, 2009 at 5:12 am
Charles Johnson is a tool, plain and simple. He plays the “6 degrees” game to throw anyone who he deems insufficiently pure out of the “movement”. If it even seems like they might, somehow, know someone who might not like jews enough then they are obviously evil and need to be tossed aside.
Playing that game I noticed his love letter to Bruce Bawer (whom I hate to drag into this since he’s a man of honor) links to brucebawer.com which has a lovely blurb from Daniel Pipes about his book. Pipes also has links to Robert Spencer so….isn’t it past time to declare Bower an apostate due to his links to R. Spencer?
I got banned for hating science. I made a wise crack about his making 3 posts in a row without one being about science hating republicans. That was all it took. BTW, I happen to be an atheist who agreed with his views, but obviously I wasn’t pure enough.
May 12, 2009 at 2:15 pm
“And by the way, I did prove this. AvidEditor was BANNED from LGF2.”
Savage nation wisnae though. His comments are even mair repellant than avid editors. Brutally murdering an entire religion o people, and deportin anybody of a certain political persuasion an murderin those thit refuse tae go.
But he’s still there, an like ah said, wan o the main ‘drivin forces’ if ye want tae call it that, behun LGF2.
May 12, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Well that wis a truly ootstandin “defence” o LGF2 thair glachorn./ Ye must come back an dae this again sumtime!
May 12, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I do not think professing to be Catholic is sufficiently vile to deserve removal. But you’re right – it’s not my site, and I’ve no recourse but to conduct my discourse elsewhere. Fair enough.
So why follow these unwashed massed of the banned and damned, threatening them ON THEIR OWN SITES? I understand being selective about who one wants or doesn’t want to hold a conversation with, but once you’ve kicked someone out the door why follow them home and threaten them for claiming that you treated them unfairly?
People have been booted from LGF – some for carrying on like trolls, some for nefarious comments, but also some for honest disagreements or even for having the wrong affiliations. And I’m sorry, but I don’t equate being a Catholic with being a Nazi – perhaps some do, but not I.
I post in forums where I’m welcome, and do not post in forums I’ve been made to feel unwelcome at. Don’t expect me to try to sneak in any “sock puppets” at LGF. Indeed, so long as I’m not warned off or banned from this site, I’ll likely continue to post here as well as LGF2; I agree with much of what lizards and ex-lizards believe, and am certainly interested in discussing the happenings at LGF. Certainly there are some nasty posts at LGF2, but many of the people there share a common view – that they have been treated unfairly by LGF, that they were silenced summarily without recourse, and that they want to talk about the experience. You do have the right not to listen to (or read) what they have to say, but neither you nor any other “nonny” character have the right to silence such people. And that has been what’s been threatened.
We aren’t liars. We aren’t stalkers. We are people who are interested in contemporary politics, and want to talk about the issues of the day. And if we want to commiserate about how badly dissentors are treated on LGF – especially on a site dedicated to that topic – then that is our perogative, despite whatever displeasure this might cause for dedicated lizards presently in good standing.
You can’t ban us on a site you don’t control. If you and yours want to be abusive, expect to be called on it. If you’d rather not, stop behaving like twits.
May 12, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Hey, Moose, this is America.
Speak Spanish.
Or at least standard English. I’ve adopted a policy of not reading anything you post so long as you insist on typing everything in the bogoscottish equivalent of Zapf Dingbat font.
May 12, 2009 at 11:32 pm
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our president laughed at what was said………..
“Meh. I just don’t see the point of getting all worked up over a bad comedian’s jokes about Rush Limbaugh.
But then, a lot of people thought it was no big deal for Limbaugh to say he wants Obama to fail, either. I thought that was much worse than Wanda Sykes’s bad jokes.”
So…according to Charles: Rush saying he wants Obama to fail is WORSE than Sykes wishing death on Limbaugh and calling him the 20th terrorist (of 9/11)? Oh, and the President laughing at those “jokes?”
Seriously? That’s really screwed up priorities right there.
May 13, 2009 at 4:52 am
Jeppo from Canada who claimed to be from Denmark.
Where are your crickets now? You lying sack of racist shit. You still a butt buddy of Larry “white racialist” Auster? You still lying about being Danish and your wife serving in Afghanistan?
Defenders of Holocaust deniers. It isn’t six degrees of seperation. It’s just one degree from Frank VanHecke to Karel Dillen and Roland Raes. It’s just one degree from Filip DeWinter to David Duke and Don Black. It’s just one degree from VanHecke and DeWinter to Pat Buchanan and Nick Griffin.
Just one degree. Hell, even Larry Auster, sad sick racist asshole that he is can show more seperation from David Duke then the current leadership of VB.
LGF2 not only allows the defence of Holocaust deniers, it welcomed them in with open arms.
ROT
IN
HELL,
R
May 13, 2009 at 5:10 am
So tell me this, Render.
Are you saying that everybody who has ever posted to LGF2 is a Holocaust denier?
Are you saying that everybody who posts there is somehow responsible for racist bullshit that someone else posted there?
Are you saying that the Squire of Gothos is somehow morally purer and LGF1 the home of saints because certain twits participate in LGF2?
Are you on crack?
May 15, 2009 at 5:31 am
Lawyer – What I wrote was quite clear and not open to interpertation.
“LGF2 not only allows the defence of Holocaust deniers, it welcomed them in with open arms.”
James “Jeppo” Pillman is a white racist who posts on Jew hating and other racist websites (see link in above response where Jeppo cheerfully shares web space with David Duke fanboys). Jeppo has spent the better part of two years defending the convicted Holocaust deniers of Vlaams Belang all over the internet. Jeppo freely posts his defence of Holocaust deniers on LGF2, ergo…
What’s your excuse laywer?
=
I note neither of you has a single word to say about the findings of the Stephen Roth Center of Tel Aviv University. Not one word.
DEFINING
CRICKETS,
R
May 16, 2009 at 8:21 am
Render:
As the father of three children with autism, I have learned that arguing with someone with low-functioning autistsm who is in the middle of a meltdown is unproductive and pointless.
I therefore decilne to acknowledge your existence hereafter.
Bye.
May 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Probably a wise move on your part immigration attorney. Most of your new friends might not like what you do for a living, or where you practice it.
As the step father of a retired US Marine I can promise you that low functioning autism is not one of my personal problems.
You declined to read the well documented evidence regarding Vlaams Belang and Holocaust denial, so the feeling is mutual.
Don’t come back now, y’hear?
HYPOCRITE,
R
May 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I call bullshit on your claim to be a marine.
And as for Salami Bangbang or whatever you’re babbling about, I’ve posted to LGF2 a grand total of once, and it had nothing to do with Belgian bozoes or anti-Muslim bigotry. Charles would love to connect me to this; hell, he’d love to connect every single person who has ever disagreed with him to Adolf Hitler.
If your theory is that I am somehow equivalent to a Holocaust denier because certain morons post to the same website I have posted to once, then I suggest you get tested for trisomy 21.
May 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm
As the step father of a retired US Marine I can promise you that low functioning autism is not one of my personal problems.>>
Correction: I aknowledge that you did not claim to being a Marine, rather, you are stating that someone else is a Marine, for which you are attempting to claim some sort of moral superiority by reasons of some level of claimed familial relationship by marriage. The New York Times regrets the error.
May 16, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I can promise you that low functioning autism is not one of my personal problems.>>
Indeed. One of the problems with autism is that it sometimes requires hours of medical testing to tell the difference between one suffering from an autoimmune-malfunction based mental disorder and someone who just likes acting like an asshole. I’m glad to hear that the former is not the case.
May 14, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Render, where did I ever say I was Danish or my wife served in Afghanistan? Once again you’ve been caught lying. Tsk, tsk.
ON YOUR
KNEES
4 CJ
May 14, 2009 at 6:03 pm
So now everyone at LGF2 is being characterized as “Holocaust deniers”.
Well I used to be a member of LGF. Am I an “atheist sympathizer” – even though I was kicked off for admitting to being a Catholic?
May 14, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Well, Charles is just denying that you deny the denial of the Holocaust. Do you deny that?
May 15, 2009 at 5:13 am
http://www.zasucks.com/?p=2504#comment-6522
Your Jew hate is showing loud and clear.
NO
MERCY,
R
May 16, 2009 at 8:24 am
Hey Render, that little box at the bottom of the screen is marked “SUBMIT COMMENT”, not “PROJECTILE VOMIT.” Please learn the difference.
May 16, 2009 at 10:21 am
Hey immigration attorney – answer the documented facts.
You do know how to do that, right?
Can you say “conflicts of interest?” I know you can…
PROJECTILES
SUBMITTED,
R
May 16, 2009 at 11:39 am
Young man, if you cannot behave appropriately, we will have to put you in time out and notify your parents so they come and take you home.
May 16, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Answer the documented and testified in numerous courts facts regarding VB lawyer.
I’m your age, or possibly older. What’s this “we” shit? You got a mouse in your pocket? Do you think you run this little bloglet?
See if this sound familiar…
“But keep it clean. NB: I can nuke any post I deem unclean. So there.”
NO
FURTHER
QUESTIONS,
R
May 16, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Nothing hypocritical about it. There’s a difference between “keeping it clean” and OUTING THE IDENTITY OF PEOPLE WHO TRUSTED CONFIDENTIALITY, which is MY beef with The Squire of Gothos. He can ban who he wants; if he bans everybody in sight, he simply is a moron (which he is). But. He OUTS his people at his own risk. Sometimes they get VERY pissed for him doing that. As here. (P.S., I CAN’T out anyone on “blogger.” Nor would I if I could.)
May 15, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Well, on a website devoted to exposing liars and haters, you’ve certainly exposed yourself as both. If you want to debate me about the VB, I’ll be more than happy to shred your feeble arguments once again. But first you’re either going to provide proof of your allegation that I ever claimed to be Danish and that my wife served in Afghanistan, or you’re going to apologize for your “mistake”. Because otherwise, why would anyone waste their valuable time arguing with an unrepentant liar?
BTW I’m still waiting for anyone to offer a political alternative to the VB. And you know what that means, right? That the crickets are still chirping! Make the chirping stop, Render, make it stop.
INFANTILE
POSTSCRIPTS
R US
May 16, 2009 at 10:19 am
“Well, on a website devoted to exposing liars and haters, you’ve certainly exposed yourself as both.”
– Not really. I’ve exposed you as a racist and a defender of Holocaust deniers.
“If you want to debate me about the VB, I’ll be more than happy to shred your feeble arguments once again.”
– There is no debate you twisted little psychopath. You have yet to answer a single one of my arguments. You have not addressed a single word from the Stephen Roth Center of the University of Tel Aviv. Not one word.
“But first you’re either going to provide proof of your allegation that I ever claimed to be Danish and that my wife served in Afghanistan, or you’re going to apologize for your “mistake”. Because otherwise, why would anyone waste their valuable time arguing with an unrepentant liar?”
– I confused one defender of Holocaust deniers with another defender of Holocaust deniers, mabad. That’s a rather simple and easy mistake to make since every single Holocaust denier and every single one of their defenders use the exact same fraudulent tactics. My apologies you racist asshole.
“BTW I’m still waiting for anyone to offer a political alternative to the VB. And you know what that means, right? That the crickets are still chirping! Make the chirping stop, Render, make it stop.”
– That’s the Belgians problem, neither ours in the US nor yours in Canada. Don’t you all have some hate crime laws up there that you are currently in violation of?
“I stand by everything I’ve written and apologize for nothing.”
– Then you probably should pray really hard that your multiple comments on that White South African racist board, followed in at least one case by somebody else posting the direct and somewhat extended quotes of David Duke doesn’t appear before some Canadian commission or another, eh?
“Too bad for you that your master’s not here to ban me for my non-liberal insolence.”
– I recognize no master, on line or otherwise, and I can assure you that you personally were banned from LGF for being a racist and an open defender of Holocaust deniers. Period.
“But since you’ve taken the trouble to stalk me around the net, the least I can do is throw you a fresh bone to gnaw on”
– Stalk? It was a 15 second Google search. Nice job confirming your racism publicly douchbag. Well done. Your next trick?
“Not all Jews are dhimmified weaklings like you, Render. Some are staunch fighters for Western Civilization.”
– You know nothing about me or what I do, and with good reason. Racist lunatics like you that wander around the Internet spewing their filth are well noted for being dangerous to the rest of us.
“Here’s just a partial list of prominent Jews that support the VB:
Lawrence Auster
David Littman
Bat Ye’or
Andrew Bostom
Pamela Geller
Diana West
Marcus Epstein
Paul Gottfried
Nicholas Stix
Ted Ekeroth”
Yo dummkopf, Larry Auster isn’t a Jew, he converted long ago. You led your list with a noted white racialist? Not a good start for your last defense. You still trading emails with Larry the racialist?
You do understand that Professor David Littman and Bat Ye’or are married, to each other, don’t you? And that Bat Ye’or’s name is a pseudonym? Now I wonder why those two haven’t responded to Bruce Bawers challenge.
The historically challenged Dr. Bostom is the only one to squeal openly about Bruce Bawer’s column. He didn’t actually answer a single word of it though. He called Bawer names and then he closed the comments, which is of course, the same old “lie, ignore documented facts, call names” tactic of Holocaust deniers and their defenders. I haven’t gone back to his site since did he ever reopen comments on that hysterical squeal of his?
Pammie The Well Boobed Screecher – Well now there’s a fine representative for 12 million modern Jews – that you’ve chosen for us. No thank you. Did she ever say anything about Bawer’s column? How uncharacteristic of her…
Dianna West – Still more uncharacteristic silence from somebody who usually has words to spew and many of them. I wonder why that is…
Marcus Epstein – Pat “Holocaust revisionist” Buchanan’s half Korean half Jewish beard from the Robert Taft club? The half Jewish link between the American far right and the European far right? Like Auster, you’re not helping your case with the racialists here.
Paul Gottfried – Eh, no. Not helping your case at all here either.
Nicholas Stix – Eh no. Again with the racialists. And such an unpleasant little comment section he’s got himself. I’m sure you’ll feel right at home there with the rest of the Jew haters, eh?
Ted Ekeroth – Teddy puts up a good front for a beard, but keeps finding himself on the same lists as people like Nick Griffith, Filip Dewinter, Frank VanHecke, Larry Auster, Marcus Epstein, and Nicky Stix and that’s just not helpful either. SD is no DPP-DF.
All of those posers, amateurs, and racialists you listed above, all those people desperately fronting for Holocaust deniers combined have not done one one thousandth of the “counter-jihad” work that a Long War Journal, Internet Haganah, or Jawa Report has done and still do on a daily basis. Are you sure all of those people you named really want to be on the same list with each other? Several of them seem awfully quiet about Bruce Bawer’s column. At least a couple of them are openly anti-war as well, which isn’t real useful to a “counter-jihad” no matter how it’s spun.
“Now who are these venomously anti-VB Jews I keep hearing about?”
-Well, there is still there is still almost a decade worth of reports from the Stephen Roth Center at Tel Aviv University that you keep ignoring. But you keep ignoring the comments from leading Belgian Jews on the matter as well, don’t you? Imagine that.
“Well there’s you, an anonymous nobody too cowardly to post your hateful bile under your real name.”
– Bat Ye’or, Zombie? I will credit you with having the courage to post your hateful bile under your real name though. Stupid and possibly illegal in Canada, but courageous in a David Duke, Larry Auster kinda way.
“And then there’s…who else? Abe Foxman? OK him too, who else? Face it, you, Foxman and co. will make useful Kapos for your future Muslim masters that you’ve done so much to enable, and that’s about all you’re good for. I guess you hope that they’ll kill you last, eh? Good luck with that.”
– Aw wassamatta, Islam not treating the spawn of its former allies with proper respect? Wanna join up with the people they tried to exterminate less then a century ago? What part of Fuck No are you not understanding you racist asshole? Peddle that final solution to the Moslem problem feces someplace else. I’m finished with you.
DISENGAGED,
R
May 16, 2009 at 10:58 am
http://www.zasucks.com/?p=1215
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/default-en.asp
CALL
THE
CHRC
May 15, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I stand by everything I’ve written and apologize for nothing. Too bad for you that your master’s not here to ban me for my non-liberal insolence. But since you’ve taken the trouble to stalk me around the net, the least I can do is throw you a fresh bone to gnaw on:
http://www.zasucks.com/?p=2941#comment-8566
Not all Jews are dhimmified weaklings like you, Render. Some are staunch fighters for Western Civilization. Here’s just a partial list of prominent Jews that support the VB:
Lawrence Auster
David Littman
Bat Ye’or
Andrew Bostom
Pamela Geller
Diana West
Marcus Epstein
Paul Gottfried
Nicholas Stix
Ted Ekeroth
Now who are these venomously anti-VB Jews I keep hearing about? Well there’s you, an anonymous nobody too cowardly to post your hateful bile under your real name. And then there’s…who else? Abe Foxman? OK him too, who else? Face it, you, Foxman and co. will make useful Kapos for your future Muslim masters that you’ve done so much to enable, and that’s about all you’re good for. I guess you hope that they’ll kill you last, eh? Good luck with that.
MY JEWS
TRUMP
YOUR JEWS
May 18, 2009 at 6:11 am
“MY JEWS
TRUMP
YOUR JEWS”
You’re going to have to convince me you didn’t steal that one from Mel Brooks. LOLs!
…and what’s with ending your post with a spelling-bee challenge or bad Haiku? Must be a new intranet fad or something.
OBSTREPEROUSLY,
S
May 16, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Wow, Render. I never took you for a flat out liar. Now I know.
May 16, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Where do you think I lied?
Mistaking Jeppo the racist VB supporter from Canada with Bottehond the Danish VB supporter? Like I said, it was a fairly easy mistake and one that I have already apologized for and corrected.
Or is that what you took away from the Stephen Roth Center at Tel Aviv University reports, or perhaps you did not bother to read the uncomfortable truth?
I never took you for a psychotic stalker, nor a defender of Holocaust deniers and racists.
Yet there you are…
Get another hobby, you’re in way over your head.
HOUSE
OF
GOD,
R
May 13, 2009 at 10:50 am
So, above A Nonny Moose wrote:”AvideditorLA, in an undeleted, unchastised post/comment on LGF2. Don’t see anyone objecting to his sentiment there, do you?”
This has now been shown to be false. Does that make A Nonny Moose a “Liar”?
Also we have ample evidence on this thread of A Nonny Mouse calling others “fuckheids” “fuckers” and “mentally challenged” and saying that their comments are “inane drivel”.
Does that make A Nonny Moose a “Hater”?
Although I do not read LGF2, I did notice that WrathofG-D on the <a href=”http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WOZOluoJifEJ:www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/04/20/the-most-blatant-asskissing-i-have-ever-seen/+%22One+thing+I+hope+for+is+when+the+shit+hits+the+fan,+every+one+of+these+CJ+style+punks+are+rounded+up+and+tossed+out+of+my+country%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk”< LGF2 comment thread provided above by A Nonny Moose,
comes across as a pretty reasonable person.
May 13, 2009 at 10:52 am
So, above A Nonny Moose wrote:”AvideditorLA, in an undeleted, unchastised post/comment on LGF2. Don’t see anyone objecting to his sentiment there, do you?”
This has now been shown to be false. Does that make A Nonny Moose a “Liar”?
Also we have ample evidence on this thread of A Nonny Mouse calling others “fuckheids” “fuckers” and “mentally challenged” and saying that their comments are “inane drivel”.
Does that make A Nonny Moose a “Hater”?
Although I do not read LGF2, I did notice that WrathofG-D on the <a href=”http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WOZOluoJifEJ:www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/04/20/the-most-blatant-asskissing-i-have-ever-seen/+%22One+thing+I+hope+for+is+when+the+shit+hits+the+fan,+every+one+of+these+CJ+style+punks+are+rounded+up+and+tossed+out+of+my+country%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk”< LGF2 comment thread provided above by A Nonny Moose
comes across as a pretty reasonable person.
May 13, 2009 at 10:53 am
Sorry, I can’t make the link embed.
May 17, 2009 at 7:55 am
CHARLES JOHNSON: RACIST AND GENOCIDE CHEERLEADER?
From: http://infinitemonkeyatthekeyboard.blogspot.com/2009/05/charles-johnson-farts-online-again.html
Did you know that Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs probably supports apartheid? Not only that, he may be a full throated supporter of the Nazi extermination of the mentally handicapped. He probably is for the re-institution of human chattel slavery, both in the Confederacy and in Sudan. He might believe that the Romans were perfectly justified in destroying ancient Israel and it is possible that he believes that the Turks should have murdered more Armenians.
How do we know that?
Charles never protested in front of the South African embassy in the 1980s. His blog has never denounced the Nazi killing of the handicapped even once. He has never been seen at a Juneteenth celebration and he has never contributed a nickel to stop the genocide at Darfur. He has never said that the Romans should have left the Judeans alone and his silence on the Turkish genocide of the Armenians speaks volumes.
Therefore, it is entirely possible that he be a Nazi, an apartheidist, a slavery supporter, a supporter of Muslim genocide of Christians, and desires the utter crushing of Judaism.
“But you’re a lawyer!” I hear you cry. “How can you say that? That’s not evidence! Otherwise all of us are completely guilty of supporting every single human institution of wrongdoing simply by the fact that we never protested it! That’s completely unfair! That’s utter bullshit!”
Indeed it is.
Charles is of course none of these things; I’m sure that he’s as pure as the driven snow with regard to every one of the above statements. So, Charles, (yes I know you’re reading this) you can hang up your phone with your lawyer.
I’m just applying to Charles Johnson the same logic he applies to those protesting the undeserved appearance of our abortion-mongering President at the Catholic school of Notre Dame, in this (utterly stupid) post here:
Not one of these people uttered a word of protest when Notre Dame University tried to bring radical Islamist Tariq Ramadan to the school, to make him chairman of the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies. But Tariq Ramadan is in favor of the death penalty for homosexuals, so maybe they have that much in common.
Charles, most days you merely annoy. But when you engage in madness like that, I can truly say: you certainly suck.
May 21, 2009 at 10:10 pm
I have personally met and hosted, yes hosted in my home, more 1.0s’ than you ever will including geeps, AG, AS, Got milk? rather…, tweet, patrick poole (of front page mag) and savage and more and you don’t know jack.